Kodak Ektar 100 test shots

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  1. Sysygy

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    If anyone is interested, here is a link to some Ektar shots. The household products were metered with a gray card, no flash and a tripod was used. I shot it at 100. The other stuff I just matrix metered. The three girls were shot on an overcast Thanksgiving day and metered with a gray card.

    I like the blues and yellows. I am not crazy about the red. I would use Superia Reala if I was shooting something red.

    But I like Ektar a lot.

    http://web.mac.com/chrisomeara/
     
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    Nice looking film. I'm about to test it out myself and it's waiting in my cart for me to hit the order button. I agree with you about the reds...is it just from the scan, or do the prints have the red problem too? Definately a different looking film - looks good.
     
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    The prints too.
     
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    Good to know. Thanks.
     
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    My reds with Ektar appear better when I print myself.
     
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    I agree. Digital has trouble handling reds; photo paper does not.
     
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    Maybe I will take the fire hydrant shot and have it printed again. These shots are a year old. Maybe they have had better prctice printing reds since these were done.
     
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    The reds look like they've clipped, which implies a scanning or post-processing issue.

    The reds in the red coat in the first shot switch between pure red and pure magenta. Is this the material?
     
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    Thanks for that I hadn't realised that Roger had done a review. Overexposure by as little as one stop does seem to be a problem and while you can desaturate in PS under the hybrid system, it would appear that you might be a bit stuck under the fully analogue RA4 route. most prints overexposed by one stop were garish to the point of being rendered unuseable for me.

    A comparison with Fuji Superia or Reala 100 might have been enlightening in terms of its overexposure latitude. I suppose it comes down to how many exposure mistakes you make on an average film. Do you trade more near correct prints from one film as against superb prints but less of them from another?

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    Admbws,
    that material is like a crushed sort of velvet or something. So I do think the effect is due to the material.
     
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    Another I want to add is that the color gets all the hype but I like the way this film handles blacks and whites.
     
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    You may want to try working in a larger color space with 16 bit files. Or scan as a linear positive and do the invert and color correction with the CF Systems ColorPerfect Photoshop plug-in (trial version is free).

    http://www.c-f-systems.com/Plug-ins.html

    Here are some nice examples of results converting historical negatives using the plug-ins:

    http://www.colorneg.de/oldneg.html?lang=en
     
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    I'd like to ask about exactly what you're showing us. From what I can gather, the film was run at a 1 hour lab, which scanned the negatives and produced prints. Then you've scanned the prints and posted the results. Is that correct?

    If so we're looking at something that's gone from analog film to digital scan to analog print to digital scan and then to an analog computer display. We also don't know how many bits were used at each analog to digital conversion, or what kind or amount of correction was applied automatically or manually at either of the two analog to digital conversions. We also don't know the characteristics of the paper used for the prints. Many 1 hour labs crank up sharpening and color saturation to produce 'exciting' photos, and that may fail miserably with a film like Ektar 100, which has more contrast than typical consumer color negative films. I'd suggest that something is lost and distorted in all this, and that we're seeing the results of a non-optimal process rather than the characteristics of the film itself.

    I've scanned Ektar 100 negatives directly myself and had Ektar printed with a Fuji Frontier (which scans and prints) at a good lab, and not encountered the unnatural looking reds you're getting in the posted examples. At my end your posted Ektar images all have some degree of a magenta cast, from slight to fairly strong.

    I just noticed that you also posted images with your local calibrated LCD screen color profile on a Mac embedded. That will most certainly distort across different screens, and web browsers can't handle your unknown local custom profile. Newer browsers will handle sRGB or other standard color profiles, and will show more accurately for people with a calibrated monitor, but no browser will show the images you posted with an embedded custom color profile properly except on your computer or one that's identical. Save to a standard color profile that browsers can handle and post those if you want people to see anything remotely accurate on another computer.

    Lee
     
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    Lee,
    I did these a year ago but I am pretty sure I used a good lab. I definitely had the scans done by the machine. I did not scan them myself. When I get home from work I am going to look for the disc and the negatives. I will try to post a file straight from the disc for downloading and I would be glad to mail the negatives to you if you wanted to try to scan them.
     
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    No need for that. I've shot and scanned Ektar myself on my own film scanner, and I've seen scans of other films off a typical 1 hour lab CD.

    My point is simply that there is no way to accurately judge the character or qualities of Ektar 100 itself from what's presented on the web page you link to. The scans you linked to have been manipulated fairly strongly along the way, and appear to be low bit count. The red channel is severely clipped on several of the images in a way I assure you isn't accurately representative of the film. The color profile on the image scans isn't standard, and can't be displayed correctly by any browser. We're not seeing the character or limitations of the film on your linked page. We're seeing the character of the distortions and severe limitations of the process by which the scans were done and presented. So I'm saying that you're asking us to judge the way a Lambourghini drives by playing a computer driving game in a simulated 'Lambourghini'. There's a lot lost in translation.

    Lee
     
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    Here is Ektar 100 shot with flash and natural window light. Scanned on a ICG 365.
     

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    I like. The skin tones are quite nice.
     
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    Yeah... nice shot!!
     
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    I love how your scan has Kodak Ektar side of the film scanned in. I want to have some done like that. I think it can add to the photo sometimes.
     
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    Yes, sometimes it adds, sometimes it really doesnt. The way you present a image is very individual from time to time.
     
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    Very True.