Konica Auto S2 shutter issue

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  1. Tsoby

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    Hi all, this is my first post here and was hoping to get a bit of advice. I just received a "mechanically sound" Konica Auto S2 rangefinder which I bought off ebay, only to find the aperture blades were stuck. So I pulled the lens from the body, got past the rearmost lens cell and cleaned them up, all good. So, now when I put everything back together, the shutter isn't operating properly (it was working before I pulled it apart). The advance lever cocks the shutter and it will fire if tripped with a finger/screwdriver, but pressing the button doesn't set it off. I've tried adjusting the gold adjustment screw on the shutter button shaft with no luck (see pics), this is the first time I've pulled an RF apart and I can't figure out what I'm missing, does anyone who's tinkered with a few of these have any ideas? Much appreciated.
     

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    Hello Tsoby and welcome to APUG. Since its to late to tell you not to do it, I suggest that you take it apart again and study the parts to see if you can tell you are putting them back where they belong. Maybe someone will have a link to an exploded view of the shutter. Good Luck.
     
  3. Tsoby

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    Thanks fotch, I can assure you I've spent a lot of time studying the parts! I can move the whole lens assembly around in its position and get it to fire sometimes which is making me think more and more that it's an adjustment somewhere, just can't figure out what I'm missing. But yeah, I'll keep at it, ta
     
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    Ta for the links gord, I've looked over that feuerbacher link probably a hundred times now but it's not really offering me anything. At no stage did i have the actual shutter apart, so nothing should have changed in there, it seems purely an adjustment thing but I can't see what else there is to play with, the stroke of the shutter button seems like 0.25mm too short...
     
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    Have you check that it may come in contact with the front cover? Try to loosen the cover bolt and see if it works. If it is then you may left out a ring/spacer. Or if there are no spacer try tighten the bolt like how you would tighten car wheels. In a cross manner if you know what I mean.
     
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    After you take it the shutter assembly off the body, inspect if the shutter button linkage to the lens assembly, check if its moving freely and properly. Is it not going down far enough to trip it? Or its a bit bend out so its not touching correctly. Do you have to bend something up, down, in out or adjust with screws.

    Secondly, cock the shutter by hand and fire it by hand (or screw driver), does all the linkage moves freely. Apply lube if necessary, VERY LIGHT at a time or it will seep in everywhere e.g. shutter and aperture blade.

    If you have anymore questions or would like to discuss, feel free to pm me as well.
     
  8. Tsoby

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    thanks a lot dehk, I've just gone through what you said - all the parts seem to be moving freely, as you suggested it is not going down far enough to trip it. Nothing seems bent, and nothing seems like it needs any lube. The part of the linkage directly connected to the shutter button shaft is moving freely and comes in contact with the lever on the lens assembly, but does not push it far enough to trip the shutter. When I do it manually, it fires easily and smoothly. There's one adjustment screw that I've found (in the pic in the first post) but no luck finding anything else that can help me out.

    MFstooges - I actually thought that might be the case but it definitely seems free of the front cover. It seems almost as though the lens cover/assy is sitting too low (vertically, if you know what I mean), however there's no way it can move upwards.

    Thanks a lot both of you, I'll keep trying and let you know if I have any progress.
     
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    Two things that will give some people heart attacks here.
    1)Increase the length of the release shaft. IE: piece of pop can aluminum cut & shaped to fit & epoxied on.
    2)re form the lever that the shaft pushes. "Re form" is a technical term that means grab with a pliers and bend in the direction you want it to move. For .25mm it's barely a twitch.
     
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    No John, no heart attack here. Its all reasonable. Tsoby if I were you I'd go with option 2.

    Now its my turn to give people more heart attacks. If the lever that the shaft pushes becomes too soft before or after you bend it.
    Take if off Heat it up with a torch it will stiffens it right up, but that means you really don't wanna bend much it after that.
     
  11. Tsoby

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    Yeah John I've been toying with that kind of idea for a couple of days now and I think it's gonna have to come to it, I agree option 2 sounds inviting, I'll let you know how it goes, thanks to the both of you
     
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    In fact, would either of you have an opinion about using a small dab of solder instead of the tin can from John's option 1? I feel like it might be a bit easier to remove if the need should arise?
     
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    That'd work too, I've used that to make sure parts stays together couple times.
     
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    OK, well I just finished soldering and it's worked a treat. I guess we'll see how long term it is, but I think it should do the trick for now at least! In case it helps anyone in the future, I attached a couple of pictures of the soldering job in question. Thanks a lot for all the tips, much appreciated!
     

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    If solder aint holding JB weld it not like you cant scrape it off later also.

    Well, Have fun now and hope the camera's gonna serve you good!