what would be a good cheap view camera with good movements? i have seen some on ebay. one is with a kodak ektar 127mm f4.5, one is with an ilex acme 3 127mm f4.5 the cameras are all graflex view. two of them have the advantage of a built in pan and tilt head. here is the 1st one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graphic-View-4x5-camera-w-kodak-extar-4-7-127mm-lens-/320803803541?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4804871395725359331 the 2nd one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graphic-View-4x5-camera-w-Ilex-4-5-7-5-3-acme-parago-anastigmat-lens-/220904240397?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4804893579500020406 the third one is complete with alot of kit like filters. it does not have the built in pan tilt, but a machined block mount. comments and advice would be welcomed, as would advice about the relative merits of the ilex lens versus the kodak. if they would not take filters, would i be able to get a machined mount made from skgrimes?