Lith paper vs Regular paper

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by cinefane, Mar 25, 2009.

  1. cinefane

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    I'd like to have a go at lith printing.

    I notice Fotospeed sell a lith paper. What does this paper have that regular papers don't?

    I have a stack of Adox Vario Classic. How would that measure up against specialist lith papers?
     
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    Chemically, I don't know. It does have a nice semi-matte surface and produces less color than other papers like Foma.
     
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    I've used the Adox VC paper for lith printing; it works but it's difficult to get good colours from it. The Fotospeed paper is fine, but I would suggest looking at the Foma papers first.
     
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    I've done only a little lith printing and that using a home
    brew developer of my own formula. A Freestyle RC paper
    gave rich coffee browns. Very nice. Another paper gave
    red-ish blacks. It did not lith well.

    From my little experience and reading of other's results,
    lithing is a two variable process; paper and developer.
    Some work will have to be done matching the one
    with another. Dan
     
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    Doesn't Tim Rudman have a book about lith printing? If he does and it's anything like his book on toning, it's well worth the investment.
     
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    Trying to find current information on available Lith paper and chems is a bit of a headache.
     
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    Tim Rudman's book is great. His website also has up to date information on various papers. I've tried a bunch of papers and for the first time printer I'd try Fomatone, Emaks, or Slavich warmtone. Kentmere Fineprint warm tone is also pretty nice, but quite different. All of these are pretty "lithy" and not too hard to control. Pretty much any warmtone paper (ex. maybe Ilford) will lith to some degree. I have no idea about the Adox, but I'd try it if I had some!
     
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    As has been said here on APUG many, many times, you have to try different papers to find what suits your taste. If you do a search on lith papers here, you will find a lot of information. APUG is the best place to find current information on lith materials.
     
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    Good point Travis. There was a Lith thread in the LF forum a while back where I learned a ton about the subject.
     
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    We're very fortunate to have Tim Rudman as a member here. He will chime in occasionally on lith threads. If you sign up for his mailing list on his website, he will send you lith material updates every so often.
     
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    First, buy ALL books by mr Rudman. I´ve lost count but I´ve read them back and forth at least a hundred times and I find "usefulies" every time. You´ll get so much inspiration you´ll stress up how to get time to try it all...

    No personal experience from Fotospeed Lith paper but as far as I can only conclude it is a Rolls Royce lith paper. Deep blacks at high dilutions, lovely warm and smooth texture in light tones and rough cold in dark dittos.
    ...but, there are alternatives. Many, these days and further might be on its way. Probably as good as Fotospeed.

    From the non-discontinued, I personally favor Fomatone MG Classic as the current best lithable paper. No further comments needed, try it!
    Kentmere Fineprint Warmtone Finegrain is another one which I find giving similar results to the beloved, but discontinued, Forte Polywarmtone (currently discussed for re-branding under Adox name). Fantastic accentuated and even grains and strangely without the characteristic cold tones in the dark areas. A good option.

    A great alternative for the color shy, I´d also give a comment about Adox Vario Classic which is great for lith effects but mild on the colors. At high(er) temperatures at early snatch, the colors given are peachy/salmon and very...hm, very romantic. (?!) But, restrained and not even close to the ones mentioned above. Might come to bloom in toner but I have not tried yet.


    In the end of the day it is really up to you and once in to the game there are so many variables and parameters to consider and the number of results are endless. And you must find what you like yourself.

    Good luck!
     
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    Slavich Unibrom also liths, but it's quite different - there's virtually no color or tone shift, meaning that it remains white.

    Kentona has been very good for lith printing, but with Harman having cleaned out the Kentmere factory to take over production themselves, I frankly fear for Kentona's lith future. Ditto for Kentmere VC FB Warmtone.

    Foma 131 and 132 fiber-based are great for lith, and perhaps surprisingly, so are their RC 332 and 333 papers. Beautiful sepia tones in Fotospeed LD20.
     
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    Quoting myself...
    The statement of the Adox Vario Classic paper I made myself above is incorrect. We got a delivery about a year ago and neither the labelling or the boxes were as can be seen today. The marking on the boxes was a mix of different Adox variants stating "Classic" ang "G2" on the same box, why concluding it was a "classic" paper, i.e Vario Classic. Neither any data sheets included.
    Hm. It turned out to be Adox Nuance Warmton Fb G2 and not the Vario Classic as mentioned. Sorry! I wouldn´t blame Adox ;-) but it was puzzling to determine the variant by the look of the packaging.

    However, Adox Nuance Warmtone Fb is a great paper for the color shy. Try it and you´d love the lith grain.