Mr. Gunter (Lotus camera manufacturer) is considering to add to his camera production a self-contained 6.5" x 8.5 " format. He expressed that he got few inquires from costumers about WHOLE PLATE camera. He is taking measurments and creating new drawings for his new beauty. Still waiting for confirmation when it would be available to order. On the market these manufactures make whole plate cameras available today: EBONY, CHAMONIX. EBONY to my opinion is very expensive and beautiful. Film holders not produced. CHAMONIX reasonalby priced, whole system available (film holders, carbon fiber lens boards), good costumer support. LOTUS will be more expensive than Chamonix, but with smooth controls, with all movments available, and camera to outlive our grandkids. I suppose 50% less expensive than the queen Ebony, which is price at 11K at Badger Graphic currently.