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Discussion in 'Medium Format Cameras and Accessories' started by Woolliscroft, Oct 26, 2006.
Can anyone tell me the differences between the Mamiya 7 and 7II?
Price is one of them!
I believe cable release thread is in a different supposedly better position and the viewfinder is a bit brighter. I have the first model but have not compared it to the II.
They are pretty much the same, the only noticeable thing I know is the viewfinder, the focusing patch is more clear under all conditions than it was on the 7 due polarization.
The II has a provision for double exposure.
If you where to buy only one, buy the 7 II.
The rangefinder of the II is greatly improved over the 7. Dichroic filters were added to the viewfinder to improve focus.
I had the original 7. Mamiya allowed me to upgrade to the 7 II. I've never looked back.
If you are in the market for this camera system, get the II model body. Also if you get a 150 mm lens, test it before buying. This lens had some manufacturing difficulties, so some do not couple with the rangefinder properly resulting in terrible focusing problems. All the other lenses for this system are fantastic.
I would agree - I sent mine back, but if it turned out that I wanted one, I would definitely get the 7ii. They can be pricey in the US (significantly more than overseas), so a new-in-box camera from overseas costs the same as a used example in the US.
I have the old 7 and I have no issues with it. I am sure the 7II is better in the ways mentioned above, but for the price I paid for mine I wouldn't have gotten close to getting a 7II. Just because the 7II is better doesn't mean the 7 is bad.
I haven't used the 7 II, but I do have two of the 7s. I got one of my 7 bodies, looks brand new, for just a smidge over $400. I'm very happy with it and was glad to have the extra money to buy glass. I don't need double exposure and the viewfinder is fine as is.
There is also another difference between the I and II. That's the curtain closing handle. You have to put the handle (II) in upright position for an easier closing of the curtain. Also the depth of the body (II) is 3mm smaller to be precise. The exposure compensation knob is rounded (II) instead square (I). But the most important upgrade is the Multi-exposure facility and the improved Viewfinder.
To me, the most important difference between these cameras is that the 7 is by now a pretty old camera, whereas the 7ii is either new ( if you buy new that is) or possibly quite recent. Buying used, there's a very good chance that the 7ii has less miles on the clock, and will in some respects be easier to get repaired. Thats why the 7ii is more expensive. The difference in features is quite minor.
Mamiya 7 vs Mamiya 7II
There are plenty of Mamiya 7's and 7II's that were purchased new and ended up sitting on a shelf (and sometimes even come up for sale). The reason for this is mysterious to me as it has to be my all-time favorite camera. Yes it has quirks and is a very limited system, offering as it is only four "real" lenses. But it has (in my humble opinion) an ideal combination of portablity, lightness, and superb sharpness, which makes it pretty much an ideal "all around" traveling camera.
As for the Mamiya 7 vs Mamiya 7II -- I use both and don't find the differences to be all that significant with ONE EXCEPTION: the shutter wind mechanism on the bottom is prone to breakage on the Mamiya 7 -- and if it breaks, you might be SOL. So either A.) don't let it break or B.) get the Mamiya 7II.
Here's a good summary lifted from the great Medium Format Megasite, which lifted it from somewhere else. I have included the original poster's name:
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From: Duncan Ross
Subject: Re: Medium format rangefinders (M7 -vs- M7II)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002
Here is a comparison based on my 7 and 7II.
The 7II has the following improvements over the 7:
1) A relocated cable release socket (The 7's is by the button release, the 7II is on the lower side of the left hand grip.).
2) An improved darkslide curtain winder. The 7II has a flip down winder, the 7 has a recessed knob. I have to remove the 7 from the tripod to engage the curtain and change a lens. I use the RRS tripod plate and it comes pretty close to this knob. (You may not find this a pain if you use the Mamiya tripod adapter or something else).
3) A different type of button arrangement on the exposure comp. The 7 is a 2 button control (one to release the lock) where the 7II is a single button for lock release and adjustment (push then turn)
4) A brighter viewfinder (though I don't really see much of a difference)
5) The 7II has multiple exposure capability.
6) The 7II has a chrome plated battery cover, the 7's is black.
7) The 7II has the word MAMIYA embossed in raised letters on the left hand grip. The rubberized material for the grip is the same, though.
8) The 7II has an extra strap mount so the camera can be hung
horizontally. The strap lugs are chrome on the 7II, rather than black.
All in all, they are very equivalent depending on what drives you nuts and your use. I don't like removing the 7 from the tripod to change lenses). The 7's viewfinder can be upgraded or under $100, but it's really not all that different. Since many people do multiple exposure in photoshop these days, I can't understand paying much for this feature. <end of quote>
Is it definitely a lens issue not a body issue (short baselength aside)? a friend has a 150 and he has terrible problems with focus that seem far in excess of baselength causing imprecise focus. Some shots are like a dropped holga! If the lens manufacturing could be to blame getting the thing matched at a service center wont help him will it?
I have a 150mm lens that behaves perfectly, albeit that a lens with this focal length on which you can't see dof ttl and where the lens barrel markings are an exercise in optimism does require a little experience.
First thing I did when I got the 150 a few years ago was to test its ability to focus right at known distances, with the intention of returning it for replacement if anything was adrift. I had no problems then and none now. But its not an easy lens to use for the reasons above.
I tend to be a wide angle user, so the 150mm wouldn't be an issue for me. In many ways it is the 43mm that really interests me. Does anyone have experience with that?
43mm is fabulous & fun. You must learn to focus thru the camera rangefinder and then view thru the 43mm viewfinder, but you get good at this. It is the camera/lens combo used for this:
Given one camera only, this would be it.
No problem. I still get quite a lot of use out of a Leica IIIa where you have to do this for every lens. As long as the lens is optically good I'm happy.
Incidentally, I have a Mamiya 7 with 65mm lens for sale. Great condition, works flawlessly.
You can see it here. http://www.apug.org/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=2528&sort=1&cat=all&page=1
I can email more pics, etc...