Mamiya RZ67 Pro II Advice & tips please.

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  1. Havoc

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    Hi, this is my first post, I've just ordered a Mamiya RZ67 Pro II and was hoping that i could get some advice and tips on how to get the best quality images out of the camera ? I also own a Fuji GW690III which i love (my first MF camera) but recently I'd decided to buy a camera that you can build a system with and plumped for the RZ67.
    Any feedback/advice would be much appreciated.

    John.
     
  2. Jeff Kubach

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    Welcome to APUG! You mght look into several backs.

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    Here are my quick 2 € cents:
    • This camera screams for a tripod. Yes, you can use it hand held and some folks seem to enjoy it that way, but given that you already have the GW690 I suggest you go fetch a sturdy tripod when you use your RZ67. Also fetch a cable release.
    • When you buy used lenses or accessories, make sure you get parts which work with your camera. I've seen lots of RB67 lenses/accessories incorrectly labeled as RZ67 parts. Some RB67 parts work with the RZ67 but some do not.
    • I agree with Jeffs call for getting multiple film backs. I have 4 now and sometimes wish for more
    • Read the camera manual carefully before you go out shooting. The camera can do lots of tricks but it's sometimes not obvious how to make it do a particular trick (check battery, mirror lock up, long time exposures, ...)
     
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    The RZ II is a great camera. I've always been very happy with mine. Look out for the 110/28 lens. It's excellent.

    It's a heavy camera and IMHO is best suited to tripod and mirror lockup use.

    My biggest complaint with this camera is that I've always had frame overlapping problems with various film backs. Some are better than others but this was an issue that I was never able to have resolved, at least not by the local techs.

    JJ
     
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    Congrats!

    Nothing more to add there, i also have this camera and GSW690III, both giving me amazing results over my Hasselblad 501CM. I love my RZ regardless of the weight, once i went out to shoot 5 different films at using only RZ on tripod and one lens only, came back with awesome results except one roll, just my tips will be to understand the functions of your camera and to load correct and carefully, unloading also carefully, expose film properly, keep the camera clean, and you will be doing fine for long time, the only issue i hate about RZ rather than weight is about using batteries, i can't tell when the battery will suddenly die/run out of power, making me to wish getting RB instead.
     
  6. Havoc

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    It's arrived, WOW.

    Thanks for the replies everyone, much appreciated as i'm new to MF and need all the help and advice I can get !
    Well it arrived and it's beautiful, Wow ! The camera & 110mm f2.8 lens are in absolutely mint condition, you'd be hard pressed to tell if it was brand new or not ! The build quality & just the sheer feel of it in the hands is special !
     
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    The RZ is a great camera. I put an AE prism on mine and really like it - adds to the weight though! I use a 90mm as standard on mine, but have used to 110, what a great lens. I think the 180 is something too. Good luck!
     
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    Out of interest which Mamiya RZ67 lenses would you say are "the must haves" ? I'll be looking to add a couple of lenses at least in the coming year.
     
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    I have 50mm and 180mm, i think i should get either 110 or 90, many recommend me to go with 110, but i am very very happy with that 50 and 180, you can't go wrong with 150mm either, but i feel that 180 for me is better than 150 but i can't tell until i can use one, i may prefer 150mm for Hasselblad 6x6 format which i have and happy.
     
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    The 140mm f/4.5 M/L-A macro lens is superb. The 65mm L-A is also very good optically. I sometimes wished for a bit wider than the 65, but all in all it's a very nice focal length.
     
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    Don't forget that you can also get a 6x6 back for the camera and thereby save yourself the trouble of buying a c330.I thought I'd never want to get rid of my beautiful c330 s which I had a long time before I had a 6x7 camera,now I'm considering selling my c330s.And so it goes....
     
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    Depends how you shoot. If wide, pick the 65 L/A or the 50 ULD depending how wide you want. Both are effectively perfect and will outresolve whatever film you use them with.

    If long, try one of the APO lenses, depending how long you need. 210, 250, 350, or 500. Again, basically perfect lenses, some say on par with the multi-thousand dollar superachromats from Hasselblad.

    Heard great things about the 140 macro as well but I don't have personal experience with that one.
     
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    A really sturdy tripod is the most essential accessory, with cable release.

    As for lenses, I have 110, 65, and 50, and have just acquired a 250. My main use is for landscapes. I can carry them all and the tripod, but if I wanted to cut weight and just take two lenses, it would be 110 and 50. If I could only take one lens, it would be the 65mm.

    I have one image with the 50mm (not the ULD version) which shows a lot of distortion at the edge, but need to shoot some more before drawing conclusions.
     
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    Which cable release would you recommend for the RZ67 ? I have a Manfrotto tripod but might upgrade to a better head at some point.
     
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    Pretty much any mechanical standard cable release will do. Mamiya has/had a dual cable release for more convenient MLU shooting but in my opinion it's not worth the money.
     
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    I've been through a number of cable releases which have snapped or the covers break off. In one case the end of the release got stuck inside the lens release socket and the lens had to be serviced. When I find out the name of a really robust cable release I'll buy two - in the meantime take care !
     
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    I have a cable release which I am told (can't confirm) is a Haselblad release. It's excellent quality and has worked and lasted well. The cheap ones are a waste of money.

    JJ
     
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    Welcome to the wonderful world of RZ.

    Lenses...a three lens kit is always a nice goal for a start.
    Maybe, keep a space of one or two focal lengths between each lens at first, ie; 50mm or 65mm, 110mm, 180mm, etc...
    and any of these could be your [must have's], including the 140mm and 210mm. (Opinions & bellybuttons...everybody has one).

    Film backs...having two or three 120 backs is more useful, (my opinion), before buying even one 220 back.
    Not that much 220 film left.

    The 6 X 6 back is pricey, and a bit rare. It was only made during the early years of the original RZ Pro,
    mostly for slide presentations. Slide projectors for square, 6 X 6 MF slide mounts, were available from multiple manufactures,
    but projectors for rectangular, 6 X 7 mounts were rare, and very, very expensive. Still are.

    The 6 X 4.5 (645) backs are useful, especially when trying a new lens or technique, bracketing, etc...with 15 shots a roll instead of ten.
    Some criticize this theory, saying, "If you're going to pack around the heft of a RZ, shoot the full 6 X 7 frame."
    I don't shoot my 645 back very often, but far more often then my 220 back. May be that's just me.

    Prisms & Winders...the RZ Pro II, requires it's own, dedicated, (and usually more expensive) version of these two accessories.
    Unless modified, the AE prism from an original RZ Pro, won't work on a Pro II.

    Fine-focus knob...the fine focus gearing on the RZ Pro II, can be easily stripped. As the name implies, only use the fine focusing knob
    just for that final, tiny little bit of bellows movement. Turn the fine focus knob...slowly, and...sparingly.

    Enjoy,
    Marc
     
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    Just to clarify (it has been mentioned), you really should have two cable release cables;
    - You need one to do mirror lockup shooting
    BUT
    - You will need two if you are using mirror lockup AND bulb-shooting. (press and hold the camera attached one to lift the mirror, then press the lens attached one to open the lens aperture, release the camera attached one to close everything and bring the mirror down again).

    I have a 50mm and a 110mm lens for mine, I am on the look-out for a 150mm or a 180mm lens for it.
    (divide by around 2 to get the 35mm equivalent focal length when you are shooting with a 6*7 back).

    As mentioned, check the manual carefully to get a good idea on how the camera works, you can also check out youtube to see people loading the back with film if you are unsure how to do it.

    It's a big bugger, so I've been using it on tripod only so far, but when the light is good and the shutter speed is fast enough, it should be doable to shoot hand held. I would believe that it is "even easier" with a eye level viewfinder and the winder. :smile:
     
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    shooting it handheld is definitely doable, it's how I shoot mine all the time. The L-grip, motor drive, and AE prism really help in that regard.

    All the lenses are good, and extremely reasonably priced vs. what they used to be new. Can't go wrong with any of the ones mentioned, however I'd recommend not bothering with the 90 or 127, as the 110 is better than both.
     
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    The 150/3.5 is very sweet. Have the RB K/L version(same optics as the RZ model)and prefer it to the 180 in K/L or C versions. Keep an eye out for a used 45mm RZ extension tube if there's any macro work down the road.