I'm such a noob, cause I realized I don't have any idea how to shoot when the sun is in my face. I know how to shoot in three ways: -modern matrix metering/idiot mode/cross fingers -old cameras with averaging metering patterns that you have to babysit constantly -incident light metering (sunny 16 etc) I like using incident light methods the best, because it seems the simplest...no worries about the reflectivity of the subject. I don't have an incident meter but I can use Sunny 16 and variations. I understand that when you use an incident meter you hold the integrating dome near the subject facing toward the camera lens. This doesn't seem like it would work at all for shooting sunsets or landscapes with the sun in them. Cameras with averaging metering patterns are going to be useless because of the presence of the sun in the frame. Basically it seems like what you need to do is either consult a table or be able to spot-meter an area of the sky.