Minolta 16

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  1. Marvin

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    After seeing Minolta 16 interest in the Minox thread thought I would start a Minolta 16 thread. I will start by saying that I have a 16Ps, and a 16QT but no film for them. Do others use them and have suppliers for film and processing.
    Marvin
     
  2. jnanian

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    i know they sell double run 8mm
    which is 16mm with a perf ...
    maybe prepfilmservices or internatonalfilm can help you ..

    ( added later )

    the film slitters mr goat hill sells are topnotch !


    good luck !
    john
     
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    subclub.org dude--that's the resource place

    I use a slitter to slit down 120 film to the 16mm size and wind the cassettes--works flawlessly...I got the slitter from one of the subclub links--just check it out

    or you can make your own slitter--not to hard to do--cut down 35mm of your choice
     
  4. Gerald C Koch

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    These cameras were designed to use 16 mm film. In order to match all of the models this must be perforated on one side only. To use the cameras you will need to have a least one Minolta cassette. Minolta sold film for these cameras but now you must load your own cassettes and develop your own film. These cassettes can be hard to obtain and can have a high asking price. Some years ago there was a man selling new cassettes of VERY shoddy construction so be careful what you buy. Non-perforated 16 mm microfilm can also be used with special developers. There is also a russian version of these cameras. However the cassettes made for them a slightly too large to fit the Minoltas. But Minolta cassettes will fit the russian camera. You cannot use 110 film because of the pre-exposed frames lines.
     
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    an apug user, vpwphoto, might have some spools to sell
    or an idea where you might find film as well. he
    was selling his kit in the classifieds a long while ago ...

    good luck!
    john
     
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    Hi,
    I'm not into movie cameras, but I have a color filter set for Minolta-16(ll) if anyone would like it it's free you just pay shipping. It looks like its from the 60's, comes with nice cardboard box, and a circular filter holder, there are three color filters in it all little square types, w/ metal frames. Each one in its own slot, kinda cool.
    One is a 80A, an 81b or 818? And the last appears to be a skylight. All three appear new. And is made by minolta. let me know if interested!
    Thanks,
    2bits

    Knowing the PO they may want to charge me about $4 or 5 to ship it.
     
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    Pm sent on the filters.
     
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    Hi, When I had my 16, it looks like you can reload 110 film in the cassettes.
     
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    Tried this once and it was a failure. The 110 film already has film frame lines imprinted on it. There is no way to line these up correctly in the Minolta.

    You can also get 16mm unperforated microfilm. This film will require a special developer such as Perfection XR-1 or H&W Control.
     
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    I bough my cassette via a link on the sub club about a year ago.

    Goat Hill Photo, or something like that, in Texas.

    Smooth transaction, goods delivered in a timely manner, exactly as advertised.
     
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    Goat Hill Photo is great for slit film; I haven't tried their splitters. You can use 16mm movie film. Also microfilm; here's an approach I got from a Subclub user some time ago. It's for Agfa Copex microfilm at ISO 50, but best to avoid high contrast situations:

    Mix a Sodium Sulfite solution of 2 oz Sodium Sulfite to 1 liter of water. Mix 2.5mm of HC-110 (concentrate, not stock solution) to 200ml of Sodium Sulfite solution. Develop for 6 min at 68 degrees F with agitation every 30 seconds.
     
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    What about 16mm BW Cine? Will that work? I have a 16QT I'd be interested to try (assuming i can find a Patterson reel for it)
     
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    Yes, you can indeed use 16mm movie film. I bought Eastman 7222, 100 ft. 16mm single perf, Double-X negative film direct from Kodak for about $35 shipped. You should be able to spool at least 60 rolls of 18 exposure each from that length.

    I taped a length of twine with a large knot at 18 inchs to the plastic carton that holds the film.

    IN TOTAL DARKNESS!! I spool out about 19 inchs, close the lid tight, and snip off the film leaving 1/2 inch sticking out from the carton. Then I insert the end of the film in my spooling stick, a 5/16 wooden dowel, 6in. long, with a 3/4in. long slit in one end made with an X-Acto razor saw. Spinning the dowel, I guide the film using my finger and thumb along the edge of the film to a tight roll. Emulsion side in, with the perforations next to the cartridge bridge. Then pull the roll off the dowel, keeping it tight, and insert into the feed (small) end of the cartridge, leaving about 1 in. sticking out through the light trap. Now put on the cover and you can turn on the lights and complete the loading. Tape the cover on the feed side with blue masking tape, blue masking tape can be removed later without leaving a residue. Pull out another inch of film from the feed side and tape it to the take up spool, insert the take up spool in the large end of the cartridge, tape on the cap and you are done.

    If you can't find a reel for your Patterson that will adjust down to 16mm then you can buy a Yankee Clipper II tank and reel from B&H Photo for $16.99 with free shipping. This is a cheap tank and reel, and I mean cheap, but it is workable and the reel will adjust for 16mm/110 size film.

    I develop Double-X with HC-110, dilution H, 1:63, as a one shot for 11 min. at 68~70 F agt. 5 sec. every 2 min. water stop, normal fix, rinse, photo-flo and hang to dry. I don't bother trying to find 16mm clear neg files, I just put them in 35mm clear neg pages and they seem to stay put fine in the binder.
     
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    Addendum to last post;
    Kodak has (still has I hope) a 1-800 number to order movie film directly from them but for the life of me I can't seem to locate it in my paperwork. If you roam around their website you might find it. I'll keep looking and reply with the phone number if I can find it.
     
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    Another thought. (been thinking too much lately)
    New 110 film, both color and B&W are now becoming available from sources like Four Corners Dark, for about $8 a roll. The film is made in China, brand name Fukkatsu, (the name apparently meaning rebirth or resurrection in Japanese).
    I wonder if the factory making this film would see a market for Minolta style cartridges? There are still a large number of Minolta 16mm cameras that work fine. The simple 16II is very reliable as well as the P and Ps models. The trouble of course, is finding and contacting the right people. I would have no idea where to even start but somewhere, someone must know.