More than 36 frames?

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  1. Tony-S

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    I can get 38 frames from a 36 exposure roll with my Canon A-1 and F-1, but my Canon A2E winds to 1 and rewinds after 36. Is there any way to get those two extra frames from the A2E?
     
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    You may be able to open the camera back in the dark without rewinding the film. On some cameras that resets the film frame counter.
     
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    I think I remember that the EOS 5 (in the UK) used torque-sensing to detect film end - if so the extra 2 frames are wasted at the beginning during loading, not at the end of the roll.
    It's been a long time though so I could be wrong.
     
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    Just getting 36 isn't the worst thing in the world...my stupid archival sheets only hold that many.
     
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    I have PrintFile 35-7BXW preservers that take 7 strips of 6 negatives/slides. It would be nice to squeeze out those extra two frames.
     
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    My Nikons only allow 36 exposures. When I had Minoltas, I regulary go over 36 slides on a roll.

    Steve
     
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    So you will lose 2 frames, no big deal.:D:D:D!

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    Nothing wrong with 36 exposures, My retina 1b, as do all folding retinas,locks at 36, where my other cameras go beyond 36, but I stop at 36 as I always found that the extra exposures were almost always not much good, Richard
     
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    I can do better. I get 75 shots from a 36 exposure roll. But I'm using a 1/2 frame camera :smile:
     
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    I get over 9000 frames from a 36 exposure roll.................







    When I don't properly load the film. :sad:
     
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    I once damaged my Minolta X-700 by trying to squeeze extra exposures onto a roll of film.
     
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    Precisely the reason why I limit myself to 35 frames per roll.
    Let's worry about what's on it, not how many we can get out of one roll.
     
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    I only shoot 36 exposures in my Canon T90s because it has auto rewind and there's no option, in my other SLR s I only shoot 34 on a roll to avoid pulling the film out of the Cassette that's worse than getting an extra frame or two.
     
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    My auto-rewind Pentax will give me 37. It seems to me that Pentax was over cautious when ensuring that enough film is taken up at the start to avoid any possibility of attempting to expose on film which has already been fogged during the initial wind-on.

    However at best Pentax if redesigned smight squeeze another 2 frames out of a 36 and quite frankly I'd rather stick with 6x6 strips than have a 7th strip with only two negs on it. Besides which my Paterson contact frame will only take a 8x10 paper which is designed for 6x6 contact prints only.

    pentaxuser
     
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    What Nikons are those? All of mine (and I have a lot! ... FE, FM2n, F3HP, F4S, F5, F70, N8008s, F90x, F100) let me shoot to the very end of the roll.

    Only the manual-wind Nikons let me start shooting before frame 1 (the F3HP won't let me meter until frame 1 though).

    I used to start shooting at frame zero (and occasionally do, especially on unimportant test rolls) but frame 0 is dangerous to shoot since it might be fogged. Frame 37 is dangerous to shoot because some labs will cut it in half during processing. (Dwayne's in Kansas, the last Kodachrome lab in the world, is such a lab.)
     
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    I like to have at least one frame's worth of unexposed, clear film left on the strip after developing. If I am going to scan the film, I will use that frame to calibrate the scanner for the film base. It's either that or else I have to try to calibrate from the edge or from the space between frames.
     
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    So, the consensus seems to be: Don't be a cheapskate. Just pop in another roll of film.
     
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    Me too!:D

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  20. Tony-S

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    It's Kodachrome.

     
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    Definitely stop at 36 then. There's a significant chance you'll lose frame 37 during processing.
     
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    I have shot the 37th frame on several recent rolls of Kodachrome but Dwayne's will not guarantee that they will not cut the film in the middle of the 37th frame.
     
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    Out of curiosity...What happens to the frame counter when multiple exposures are taken with various manual cameras. Will the counter exceed 36? Will the film automatically rewind at 36?
     
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    If I understand the question: if you press in the rewind button before winding the film (so that the film does not advance, and you can take a second exposure on the same frame), what happens to the frame counter? On every Canon I've owned, the counter does not advance if the film does not. So it doesn't go to 37 just because you took a multiple exposure frame.

    Duncan
     
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    Hi. I had an A2e. There is a little sensor that counts the sprocket holes on the film and after a preset number of sprocekt holes are counted, the camera sets itself to frame 1 and is ready for shooting. If your film is longer than 36 exposures, it will take them. So, I think your options are:
    1. Load your own bulk film longer than 36 frames, or
    2. Somehow fool the camera into starting 1 or 2 frames earlier. Perhaps you can try adding some scrap unexposd film (with sticky tape) to the film leader to make it longer. I'm not sure if the sensor counts the top sprockets or the lower sprockets.

    Good Luck,
    ~Dom
     
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    I feel your pain. Clearly, the only real, failsafe solution to this problem is to treat yourself to a Leica M. This is what I did, and now I regularly get 38 per roll.