New black and white fibre-based papers from Ilford

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by Bruce Robbins, Dec 4, 2013.

  1. Bruce Robbins

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    Ilford has announced two new papers but the information is embargoed until 1 p.m. GMT today. I'll be publishing the news on my website at that time:

    www.theonlinedarkroom.com
     
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    Awesome awesome awesome news! Yay!

    I've been clamoring for a true cool tone paper in FB. Now if only it is available in 16x20, which the RC version is not, we'll be set with warm, neutral and cool papers from Ilford.

    I am getting SO tempted to go 100% Ilford just because of their support of us, not to mention the quality of their products. I'd miss Across, Tri-X, TMY-2 and MCC 110, but aside from also wanting to support Adox I'm not sure what the latter would offer that I couldn't get with Ilford papers. I'm seriously thinking of going 100% Ilford at least in the darkroom, with a few other films thrown in. (I like the response of Tri-X in Diafine too much to go to HP-5 but I might ought to reconsider that too. That was based on older Tri-X which got a reliable 1600. Now I only get that in daylight where it isn't really needed. It's more like 800-1000 under tungsten light ... maybe I should compare to HP5 in similar light, hummm.)
     
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    Thank you, Ilford!
     
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    Interesting. The speed difference for the higher grade filters is much closer to the speed at the lower grade filters. That's been an annoyance with my Zonemaster II because it calculates the exposure at filter 3.5 by averaging the exposures from filters 3 and 4. The actual exposure for filter 3.5 is much closer to 3. With these papers having a much smaller difference, that interpolation might become much more accurate. As it is, I usually just use the exposure value measures at filter 3 for exposures made through a 3.5 filter.

    So... Who is going to be the first to calibrate their Zonemaster for the new papers and publish the results for us lazy bastards to copy?
     
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    Just from looking at the data sheets, the Dmax doesn't look much different from the original MGIV. Whatever they do to get the nice Dmax of MGWT, I wish they could do the same for their neutral toned papers. Maybe they are referring to the Dmax being higher after toning since the new papers apparently tone much more readily than the old.
     
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    The curve for the lower contrast grades looks straighter on the new than the old. If so, I consider that a significant improvement all by itself. I'd like to know the details of how that was accomplished. I thought the wavy shape was unavoidable for a triple emulsion VC paper.
     
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    Mmmm!

    I think I will hold back on the "whoop, whooping" Ilford Mg4 is such a beautiful paper and I will be sad to see it go. I actually like the fact that it doesn't go crazy in selenium, unlike the Warmtone, which I have never been able to tame. I have also spent many, many hours 'learning' MG4, and finally found a tone in the paper that I loved after many years of printing, and that no other paper could give me. I shall be wearing a black arm band for the rest of the week.

    All that said, I do hope that I will be eating my words when I get round to testing the new paper.

    Stoo
     
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    My goodness! And the characteristic curves for MGIV classic show no mid-tone compression even at grade 00.

    I will be ordering this pronto and testing over the holidays. Happy holidays to me!!!!!
     
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    New MULTIGRADE FB COOLTONE is available in 16x20 and 20x24 plus wider rolls
     
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    This is the greatest thing ilford has done in a long time!!! A cool tone FB... I've been waiting a long time!! Thank you ilford!!!
     
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    Very exiting news. Ilford WT is pretty much my standard paper now apart from old stock that slowly get depleted from the fridge. i wish that the WT paper would keep it's tone as it ages (unexposed) but it does not which makes it impossible to stock up on this paper.

    I rarely need or want cooltone but for a wintery snow scene WT just does not look good so i will certainly give this new paper a try.
     
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    I'll be getting into cool tone FB as soon as I burn through my stash of regular FB, which will take a while... :smile: Available in matt surface too! Yes! I am going to relish this.
     
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    I see we have our first post from Harman Marketing. In the past it was always Simon Galley in person on all things Harman. I wonder how the role of these two Harman sources will change?

    Will Harman Marketing be purely marketing as in new announcements etc and Simon continue to handle other queries and complaints etc?

    pentaxuser
     
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    Ilford, thank you!

    I hope the price won't shock me.
     
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    Always good to see new B&W traditional products!
     
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    Curves are rather very impressive for 'CoolTone'...I am trying to compare with MCC 110.
     
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    =) I hope you report your findings. I love my Ilford Warmtone but occasionally want a neutral image tone. I was never a fan of MGIV, hopefully I'll be able to use all Ilford papers now.
     
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    I'll basically re-do the flashing tests with it (and possibly cooltone) and compare to the data I got with current MGIV and Gallerie. I'll add toning tests (Selenium only) and maybe SE3 developer similar to the tests I did with MGWT. This should be fun work.

    I would have needed to do this anyway as MGIV FB was my primary paper so I'll need to get aquainted with my new paper - MGIV Classic!
     
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    Awesome. I'm particularly excited about the Cooltone but will def. try the Classic as well.

    Large size availability is great, too!

    Thanks, Ilford!
     
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    Great news!

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    Yes, to the extent one can tell from published curves, the FB CT looks much more Tri-X-friendly than the existing MG IV FB or the new MG FB Classic. If that pans out, it will be good news indeed. I'll eagerly look forward to trying it.
     
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    All fine and dandy as long as the price stays in the MGIV price range. I get a little edgy when a company comes out with a "NEW & IMPROVED" product and then dumps the old, well established, well liked old one. Almost always a little upping of the price goes with it too. Remember when Coca-Cola stopped making classic coke for that "NEW & IMPROVED" junk they put out???? We'll see how it goes, but I do think Ilford is a little more classy then to do what Coca-Cola did. JohnW