New Grade 3 Azo

Discussion in 'Contact Printing' started by bmac, Jul 2, 2004.

  1. bmac

    bmac Member

    Messages:
    2,156
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Location:
    San Jose, CA
    Has anyone else got their box of GR3 yet? I am actually in the middle of my first session with it right now, and I am shocked at the difference between GR2 (new) and G3 (new). It looks like more of a jump between Grade 2 and Grade 4 or 5 to me. Anyone else experiencing this? FWIW I'm using Smith's Amidol TMY in Pyrocat 2:2:100

    Brian
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 2, 2004
  2. Francesco

    Francesco Member

    Messages:
    1,020
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2003
    Location:
    Düsseldorf,
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    Hi Brian, I have not received mine yet but if what you say it true (i.e. the difference is more like Grade 4 0r 5 in your opinion) then I am excited to get started with it.
     
  3. bmac

    bmac Member

    Messages:
    2,156
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Location:
    San Jose, CA
    Maybe I am just crazy, but please let me know when you get it and have a chance to try out. These were my first Pyrocat 2:2:100 negs (TMY) and they printed very very good with the GR2, but when going to GR3 to give them a little more punch, they looked like line art even after increasing exposure dramatically to compensate for the slower GR3.
     
  4. David A. Goldfarb

    David A. Goldfarb Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    17,946
    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2002
    Location:
    Honolulu, Ha
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    I haven't experienced that with the new G3, but there could be a variety of causes associated with that. I'm usually printing Tri-X or Ektapan developed in ABC pyro on Azo, and I tend to use G3 more for older TMX negs that I made before I'd quite worked out how much density I needed for good prints on Azo.

    If you're getting too much contrast with G3 but want more than G2, try using water bath development with G3.
     
  5. bmac

    bmac Member

    Messages:
    2,156
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Location:
    San Jose, CA
    Just to confirm, this is the Grade 3 that shipped out last week David?
     
  6. c6h6o3

    c6h6o3 Member

    Messages:
    3,219
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2002
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    Brian-

    How long are you developing it in Amidol?
     
  7. bmac

    bmac Member

    Messages:
    2,156
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2002
    Location:
    San Jose, CA
    1 min for Gr3, 2 mins for Gr2
     
  8. David A. Goldfarb

    David A. Goldfarb Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    17,946
    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2002
    Location:
    Honolulu, Ha
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    I just checked--I still have old Gr3 and new Gr2. Nonetheless, trying water bath processing with Gr3 should give you something between Gr3 and Gr2.
     
  9. Michael A. Smith

    Michael A. Smith Subscriber

    Messages:
    660
    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2002
    I printed with this newest Grade 3 (the first of it was shipped only in the last two weeks) and compared it other Grade 3 prints. It has exactly the same contrast. The reason it might seem like such a jump from Grade 2 is that the last batch of Grade 2 seemed softer than the previous Grade 2.
     
  10. Francesco

    Francesco Member

    Messages:
    1,020
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2003
    Location:
    Düsseldorf,
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    Got my new G3 and have used some. I actually think that there is a slight improvement (contrast, general look and feel) over the old G3. I do not use Amidol however and I find no speed change from my old G3. I printed negatives using old G3 times and the results were enhanced colour, tone and local contrast. Thank you MS for keeping this paper going.