New Kodak Portra 400 pushed to 3200 in 35mm. Wanna see?

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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/phloodpants/sets/72157626086079045/

    I set the camera to ISO 3200 and had Richard Photo Lab push it three stops. I was pretty amazed at the results! It seems that you really need to avoid underexposure though, or it gets foggy and grainy.

    Any suggestions on improvement?

    I am shooting a roll right now at 2400, and will still ask them to push three. Does that make sense if I am trying to keep grain down?
     
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    Looks great is this 35mm?
     
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    "New Kodak Portra 400 pushed to 3200 in 35mm"
    I'd guess so...
     
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    I've seen shots in medium format with this film pushed 3 stops looked great; probably could push one more and get acceptable results. I think this new Portra is a winner. I'm gonna try 4x5 and push 4 stops :smile:
     
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    Looks good!

    Of course in 120 the grain would look smaller... but for action shooting 35mm is hard to beat.
     
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    What I like even better than the film's performance is that you're shooting PJ on FILM.

    Bravo.
     
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    This is the only color film that i shoot right now. It is normally pushed to 1600 and 3200 for me and works wonders.
     
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    Those are impressive results. The grain is quite large and prominent, but overall the photos themselves look fairly good. Maybe a bit dim in some of them, but not bad at all.
     
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    Great shots you might not otherwise have got.
     
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    Thanks for the compliments!

    I can't wait to see if Kodak reformulates Portra 800 with this new technology! Then it would only be a two-stop push.

    Would it be too optimistic to say that this film could drive a resurgence of film use? In the d/i/g/i/t/a/l camera world, all people ever talk about is how "clean" their cameras are at ISO 3200! And 6400 and 12,500. (And devoid of detail due to overzealous noise reduction) I think what is driving this race for ever-higher high-ISO performance is to avoid the horrific consequences of d/i/g/i/t/a/l noise! Some of my underexposed shots were severely grainy, but I thought they still looked good! The noise is organic and truly random in nature, instead of arranged in a grid.
     
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    I just shot a load of this film all over the map, changing between ISO 200 and 1600 on the same 120 roll. Had normal processing done and was happy with the results for the most part and I'm really picky. These shots are great for 135 at 3200!
     
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    Great results!

    Have you tried doing this with the current Portra 800? Or the previous 400NC/VC? Seems like all the rage on the internet is to talk about Portra 400 pushed, but I've yet to see how this stacks up with the previous versions of the film or 800.
     
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    Anybody pushed Ektar 100 2 stops to 400, or 3 stops to 800?

    Finest grain should yield less grain than other films at 400/800 the more you push it, right?

    EDIT: Never mind on the 400, I remember now some folks have done that already. I wonder about 800 though?
     
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    No, I have not tried pushing the old Portra 800. But my guess is that it won't be as good as the new 400, due to the new technology in the 400.
     
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    This is all great news. The only possible glitch, at least in my area, is finding a pro lab with a tight enough C-41 line to pull off a consistent 1-2 stop push. Looking forward to trying Portra 400 as soon as it surfaces here.
     
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    Unfortunately, I can't agree with that reasoning. Granted, the new 400 has finer grain; what other 'new technology' makes it better for pushing? If fine grain is the only criterion when it comes to pushing, then Ektar should be the best film for pushing ever. If you need real speed, I'm still thinking 800 would be better. I've also not seen anything that tells me 400 is better for pushing than 400NC/400VC except for the finer grain bit - I think the tonality should be roughly the same... Though obviously, finer grain will help the final appearance.

    Not attacking you, but there's just a lot of hype (and good results) about pushing the new 400 on the net, with absolutely NO reference points to the previous versions. Maybe all Portra films are great with pushing, and not just 400?
     
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    Fine grain certainly isn't the only factor that makes for good pushing.

    Kodak claims to have integrated Kodak Vision technology from their movie films into this new Portra. Also "Antenna Dye Sensitization in Cyan and Magenta emulsion layers" though I'm not sure this is a new thing.

    Perhaps of even more importance than grain, is the improvement in how far shadow tones come up when pushed. From what I have read, a big problem in pushing film is that the shadows don't brighten up at the same rate as the highlights, so you end up with blocked up shadows. This new emulsion is supposed to be better at that.
     
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    Which means what? It could be just finer grained technology. It could just be marketing speak too.

    I think Portra 800 already had this. The previous 400's might have too. Kodak's spec sheet on 400NC/400NC/800 say, "Antenna Dye Sensitization (High speed films)".

    Agreed. I think this is my main point. And I'm not sure if "This new emulsion is supposed to be better at that" is true. I think it's more accurate to state "This new emulsion is good at that." And it is. But every test I've seen of it has no reference points, so saying "is better at that" doesn't make sense to me. Is it better at it? Better than 400NC? Better than 800? Or is it just the same?

    Giving Portra 800 the shaft over pushed Portra 400 seems silly to me if it's not based on tests. I know I seem like I'm being pedantic, but I've seen this on several forums, and this is how what is probably a low volume film like Portra 800 dies. On the other hand, if Portra 800 pushes just as well, and you could get similar results at EI 6400, and a similar word of mouth ground swell about Portra 800, that might be a good thing...
     
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    Yeah, I would love to see some side-by-side tests done! I suppose I could do it myself, but I don't develop my own yet, so I could not guarantee the processing is consistent. Anyone want to volunteer?
     
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    Well.. I dont think a 400 and then an 800 next to it makes much sense..

    I'd much prefer to see Portra 800 get updated/replaced with a native 1600 or 3200 speed based on Portra 400 but with larger grain emulsion.. pipe dreams though.
     
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    Yeah, more likely it will simply get discontinued.
     
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    My hope is that Kodak markets this film as an alternative to digital cameras! High-ISO has been one of the most compelling reasons that people buy digital SLRs. If they were to make a super-pushable film, there could be a resurgence in film use!
     
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    love that grain/color..wow!
     
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