New Versions:Kodak Professional Portra 400NC and 400VC films

Discussion in 'Product Availability' started by Fotogeorge, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. Fotogeorge

    Fotogeorge Member

    Messages:
    28
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2006
    Location:
    Southern Cal
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    FYI:

    NEWSLINE: Professional Markets Monday, January 07, 2008

    Kodak introduces improved versions of Kodak Professional Portra 400-speed color negative films

    Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester , N.Y. , is offering improved versions of its Kodak Professional Portra 400NC and 400VC films. The enhancements build on the introduction of improved Portra films in 2006. The finer grain of the Portra 400NC and 400VC films, combined with the spectacular skin tone of the entire portfolio, enable professional photographers to create striking photographs, says Kodak. The technology innovations also result in better scanning, the company adds. The new Kodak Professional Portra films will be available worldwide on a stock-turnover basis beginning in the first quarter of this year.
    ©Photo Marketing Association International
     
  2. Michel Hardy-Vallée

    Michel Hardy-Vallée Membership Council Council

    Messages:
    4,351
    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2005
    Location:
    Montréal (QC
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Last edited by a moderator: Jan 7, 2008
  3. copake_ham

    copake_ham Inactive

    Messages:
    4,090
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Location:
    NYC or Copak
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Very good news indeed, although it seems as if we need a "scorecard" to keep track of all the Portra revisions!

    Nonetheless, I'm happy anytime there is a new or improved film being introduced. Much better than the opposite kind of news.
     
  4. Michel Hardy-Vallée

    Michel Hardy-Vallée Membership Council Council

    Messages:
    4,351
    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2005
    Location:
    Montréal (QC
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The edge markings should be help enough for now:

    Original Portra: 160NC, 160VC, 400NC, 400VC, 800
    1st Update: 160NC-2, 160VC-2, 400NC-2, 400VC-2, 800-2
    2nd Update: 400NC-3, 400VC-3

    What I find really interesting is that the ISO 400 is the first one to get the bump. I'm not surprised because it's such a beautiful film for all situations, with nonexistent grain, that I can't even see the difference from the 160 at 11x14 printed on RA-4.
     
  5. Uncle Bill

    Uncle Bill Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,380
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Location:
    Oakville and
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    This is great news.
     
  6. Craig

    Craig Subscriber

    Messages:
    784
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2004
    Location:
    Calgary
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I thought it was pretty impressive in the "old and unimproved" formulation.
     
  7. RidingWaves

    RidingWaves Member

    Messages:
    816
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2006
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Wow, seriously surprised and very stoked we got an upgrade so quick. 400VC is my staple, and I'm sure glad they improved it again so fast rather than waiting. When I'm busy I can do 50-70 rolls a month, and the newer version was a great improvement over my previous film, 400UC. So, when is the 'No Grain' version going to be released?
     
  8. Photo Engineer

    Photo Engineer Subscriber

    Messages:
    25,775
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    As I said before, Kodak has a dedicated team to both B&W and color film improvement. Since the teams are smaller, the improvements come along more slowly but it is taking place.

    PE
     
  9. copake_ham

    copake_ham Inactive

    Messages:
    4,090
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2006
    Location:
    NYC or Copak
    Shooter:
    35mm
    If you re-read the OP and check out K's site - they have already been released - but availability is subject to vendor stock out of the "older" version.


    Ron,

    You're being modest for your former colleagues. To come out with a new version of 400 NC/VC just one year after that last "new" version is "fast" not slow!

    And I suspect, you know that! :wink:

    I do hope that the film folk at K come to visit this site soon - perhaps in a "controlled" format so we can ask some serious questions without a lot of negativity.

    Now, I wonder what they have in store for 160 and 800? :smile:
     
  10. Photo Engineer

    Photo Engineer Subscriber

    Messages:
    25,775
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    George;

    When I was still there, they would have had maybe 9 teams. Ones on 160NC, 160VC, 160UC, 400NC, 400VC, 400UC and so on. You get the picture. Then they would all have been released at one time! So, to me the pace is slower.

    PE
     
  11. wildbill

    wildbill Member

    Messages:
    2,851
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Location:
    Grand Rapids
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Speaking of 400UC. I've only shot one roll of 120 400UC on a seagull tlr i was given to fix. They were family shots and I had it developed and printed at A&I. The color was outstanding. How long was this film around and why did it get axed? Is 400VC close?
     
  12. Photo Engineer

    Photo Engineer Subscriber

    Messages:
    25,775
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Bill;

    I wish I knew the answers. I have not made a direct comparison. I used VC films almost exclusively.

    PE
     
  13. Sirius Glass

    Sirius Glass Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,581
    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2007
    Location:
    Southern California
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I wish I knew.

    I have not used the 120 VC 400 that I have yet so I can't say.

    When I heard that 120 UC400 was being discontinued I rushed to Samys and brought every roll they had (55 rolls) so that I could keep the film from the hoarders.

    I wish that I had done the same with 120 HIE, but APUG had not gotten to me at that time. Since then APUG got to me and I process my black and white film.

    Steve
     
  14. Sponsored Ad
  15. RidingWaves

    RidingWaves Member

    Messages:
    816
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2006
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Actually, I was joking, the "No Grain" comment was that each new versions has 'even finer grain' so when does it disappear completely.

    I still have a few pro-packs of 100 and 400 UC in 120, saving them for another decade so I can rant about how good it was way back when in the 'aughts...
     
  16. Tim Gray

    Tim Gray Member

    Messages:
    1,786
    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2006
    Location:
    OH
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I'm mostly a B&W guy, but I've used some of the 160NC/VC-2. I never did get around to ordering any of the version 2 400 films (local stores don't carry it). Heck, I guess I'll just have to try 400NC-3 now...
     
  17. Sirius Glass

    Sirius Glass Subscriber

    Messages:
    20,581
    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2007
    Location:
    Southern California
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    RAOFLMAO - These youngens, it was afore their time, but I 'member back when gas was $3.00 per gallon!

    Steve
     
  18. Photo Engineer

    Photo Engineer Subscriber

    Messages:
    25,775
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Shooter:
    Multi Format

    You will never get zero grain.

    I did coatings of cast dyes which were pure dye molecules in gelatin. We measured them and they showed measurable grain. It gets down to the noise in the system.

    PE
     
  19. Michel Hardy-Vallée

    Michel Hardy-Vallée Membership Council Council

    Messages:
    4,351
    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2005
    Location:
    Montréal (QC
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Can you say what kind of enlargement would be necessary to have visible grain clumping?
     
  20. Silverhead

    Silverhead Member

    Messages:
    277
    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2006
    Location:
    Southern Cal
    Shooter:
    Plastic Cameras
    I'm just curious to see if Kodak can get its grain down to the same level as Fuji Provia 400X...which is quite frankly, incredible for a 400 ISO film. Obviously, being a negative film, the Portra won't be able to match the color saturation of the Provia, but if the grain is small enough then it could turn into a really sweet all-purpose portrait film.
     
  21. Photo Engineer

    Photo Engineer Subscriber

    Messages:
    25,775
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Well, with the cast dye coatings, there was no 'clumping' as such. At worst, since these were sulfonic acid azo dyes, the dye would form a micelle in gelatin + water and you might be able to see that, but I think in this case we were looking at noise in the system.

    As far as regular films, I have enlargements up to 16x20 from 35mm and they are remarkably clear of clumping. You can see some grain, but not what I would class as the traditional clumping I saw in films from the 50s and 60s.

    However, I have a 16x20 of a blue swimming pool on Kodacolor X from the 60 and even with that uniform color, you cannot see clumping. So, it varies.

    I hope that answers your question.

    PE
     
  22. Michel Hardy-Vallée

    Michel Hardy-Vallée Membership Council Council

    Messages:
    4,351
    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2005
    Location:
    Montréal (QC
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Thanks PE, that gives me an idea. I enlarged Portra 400NC 35mm on Supra Endura, and I was amazed not to see grain at all. I can't enlarge bigger with my current setup, but that's already quite impressive. And the shadow detail was great: my subject had a black shirt with slight bits of shiny thread that you can see just clearly enough.
     
  23. GGardner

    GGardner Member

    Messages:
    28
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2007
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    It seems unfortunate that Kodak would bring us this great new film, but the only place we can see it is on their tiny image gallery. These 300x300 (?) images from medium format film don't really tell us much about the product.
     
  24. Snapshot

    Snapshot Member

    Messages:
    913
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2007
    Location:
    Toronto, Ont
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I, for one, am quite happy for the release of the new Portra film. I can't wait to try out the 400VC. The 400NC long roll looks interesting well.
     
  25. Alex Bishop-Thorpe

    Alex Bishop-Thorpe Member

    Messages:
    1,455
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Location:
    Adelaide, So
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Portra film's been on my to-do list for a long while, and this is fantastic news - between this and the new T-Max it seems film development is still a very worthy aspiration for Kodak. We need some encouragement now and then from ol' yella.
    Who knows, Fuji may counter this development with their own, they seemed to play off each other historically.
     
  26. Neanderman

    Neanderman Member

    Messages:
    575
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2004
    Location:
    Ohio River V
    Shooter:
    Large Format
    I would assume this is more 2 electron sensitization at work?

    Ed