Newbie: Getting the film out without rewinding??

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  1. theandy

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    Hi,

    I'm really a newbie to analogue photography and never developed my film on my own. Two weeks ago I started shooting with b/w film but I didn't develop it, now I want to try it...

    I bought a book for this, which answers the most questions but there are still a few questions left... The most important: How to get the film out of the camera without rewinding the film completely?
    Ok, I could just open the camera in the darkroom after the shooting but I don't want to have the whole film hanging in the air while spooling it in the spiral, so I achieve to have the film rewinded, but not completely. (there should be a short end left to pull the film out piece by piece as I spool it in the spiral)

    My Camera is very old: A Minolta 7000 (It's from my father)

    Any suggestions? Please help!

    thanks in advance, Andy

    PS: I know, my english is not the very best...
     
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    There's a little tool you can buy that looks something like a tin opener. It allows you to take the ends off a 35mm cartridge so you can get at the film once you've wound it back. You can avoid that if you rewind very carefully as you can tell when the film disengages from the right hand end - you'll know because you suddenly don't feel any resistance.

    Euan

    PS Welcome to the world of film photography!
     
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    The usual method is to rewind completely, then take the end off the cassette with either a special tool, a bottle opener, or your fingers if it is a reusable cassette. If you really want to start the film onto the reel in the light, either follow Euan's suggestion about rewinding carefully, or pick up a film leader retriever from your local shop.
     
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    Be careful, if you are pulling film off of the take up reel in the 7000 you can damage the clutch in the take up system of the 7000, I know, I have shot Minolta for over 25 years now and have done it...normally most of us, just rewind the film and use a church key/can opener to open the roll and then you can put on the spool for developing, if your using commercial film it is difficult to reuse those canisters, so I normally just open and then go from there.

    R.
     
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    Just rewind the film completely then get a leader retriever to extract the leader out. You can also have a photo lab do this for you. They won't charge you anything.
    I would just pop the whole cassette open in the dark like most posters here suggested.
     
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    Andy -

    Whenever possible, want to roll the film back into the metal cassette that it came in. The only time you would ever take the film into a darkroom to unload it is if you are using infrared film or in the unlikely event that the film is pulled completely off the takeup spool (in the cassette) as you are winding it forward.

    If you have an older camera that doesn't have an automatic rewind feature, you can easily stop winding as soon as the leading end of the film comes off of the take-up spool inside the camera - just listed for the sound to change as you are rewinding, and stop rewinding.

    This will leave a pigtail about 5" long hanging outside the metal cassette. You then cut off the shaped end of the pigtail, and clip off the corners so that it will load more easily into the processing spiral.

    How you load it into the spiral depends on the kind of reel you are using - some spirals (the traditional stainless steel variety and a very small minority of plastic reels) load from the center. Most of the plastic reels "walk" the film in by alternately twisting either side of the reel. You must load the reel in total darkness - loading is tricky, and you have to be able to sense what is happening by feel. It really pays to sacrifice a roll of film to practice a few times with the lights on so that you train your hands to recognize what is happening.

    If you have one of the newer cameras that automatically reverses and rewinds the film for you when it reaches the end of the roll, you generally have no choice but to allow it to completely reroll the film into the cassette. In that case,you have several choices.

    One option is to remove the film from the cassette in total darkness, clip off the end of the strip, trim the corners, and then load the reel. While it can be done, my experience is that it is better to be able to see what you are doing when you clip off the end of the film and trim the corners.

    The alternative is to fish the end of the film out of the cassette. There are two ways to do this. One is to remove the end of the cassette, pull out the spool of film and then reinsert it with the pigtail left out, and then put the end back on the cassette. Commercially packaged film usually has the end caps crimped onto the cassette, and removing them usually involves a sheet metal rearrangement that makes reattachment all but impossible. If you are using bulk-loaded film (that you spool yourself), the cassette either has an end cap that is not crimped on and that therefore will pop off with just a little finger pressure, or you may be using plastic cassettes in which the end cap screws on.

    Alternatively, you can purchase a little gadget that you slip through the felt light trap of the cassette, grasp the end of the film strip, and pull it back out. These devices are simple in concept, but they take a little practice to master.
     
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    Hey, thanks for the answers!

    Ok, I think I'll just try to take off the ends with a bottle opener though it sounds a bit difficult to do that in complete darkness :smile: Maybe I should practise that beforehand...

    Thanks! Andy
     
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    It's actually quite easy. I recommend going after the end that the spool does not stick out of, and then pushing on the other end to cause the whole roll of film and spool to come out of the cassette. You can then feel the end to find the leader and cut it off. I find it easiest to leave the film on the spool as you load the reel, it seems to make loading easier.

    Have fun!
     
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    Since when has the Minolta 7000 been "very old"? It was introduced in 1985.

    Ah, youth.
     
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    ...It's even two years older than me, therefore I guess I can call it "old" ;-)
     
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    Well I guess we can call it old, or we can call you young!

    The 7000 is the camera that started the revolution that we now call Automatic Focus, I started shooting the Minolta Cameras in the 60's and made a very good living with all of the models that have been introduced since then, but believe me, the 7000 is now considered "Old" it was revolutionary and many of the cameras that Minolta introduced were revolutionary, but things and time changes...

    Again, be careful pulling the film out of the 7000 as you can damage the clutch in the take up spool, I know I have done it more than a couple of times.

    R.
     
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    In high school, I was taught the same method that the one previous poster mentioned. Rewind the film as usual, but listen careful while doing so. you'll hear/feel a "click" as the film disengages from the winder. That means that all your exposed frames will be safely tucked away inside the cassette. Cut the shaped end off, and if you're using one of those mechanical loading reals, you can pre-start it in the light.

    turn off the light, flick your wrists a few times and voila, easy work. No problem from there to load it into the developing tank so you can safely turn on the lights. It's quite easy when you get to know the feel/sound of the click.
     
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    Previously before I figured out my Elan 7n would leave the end of the film out after rewind using a custom function, I would just use a bottle opener to remove the end of the canister. Its a bit of a PITA but not horrible. A film picker would work too. B&H sells them and so might your local camera store.
     
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    Oh yes and don't do what I did when I first opened a 35mm cartridge with my 'bottle opener' (I think I described it as a can opener in my first posting - no idea why). I was too vigorous and when I popped the end off, the film bounced out, I had to spend the next five minutes on my hands and knees in pitch darkness feeling for the film (which was still quite tightly rolled up!).

    Euan
     
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    Just remember to open the end of the cartridge WITHOUT the protruding shaft. Kodak film cartrdges seem to be the toughest ... I can't remember "popping the end off" without distorting the rest of the thing.
    The others, Agfa, Fuji, Ilford, disassemble without distortion .. and I reload those.
     
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    Ed maybe this explains why I've never been able to open my Kodak film cannisters. Everyone always says it's easy, but I made a right mess of it. I just leave the leader out which means I can roll the first bit of film onto the reel in the light.

    Andy, whatever you decide to do it's a good idea to practice in the light with an unused or unimportant roll of film. Best of luck and have fun.
     
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    I tend to leave a tag out when I rewind. It is pretty easy: just rewind fairly slowly and you will feel the resistance and hear a slight click as the film comes off the take up spool. I do, though, miss the old style 35mm cassettes where you banged the top on a table in the dark room and the bottom flew off. You could reuse them again and again without buying special reloadable cassettes.

    David.
     
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    There is also a rather handy gadget which you mount to the darkroom wall. The outer part is shaped like a 'U' -- you slide the end of the cassette into it and then just tilt the cassette to the side and the end comes off.
     
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    I always get told that, but that's the end I can more easily remove. I don't know why, but I've never been able to get the flat end off. Either way, it just takes practice.
     
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    Andi:

    Let me be the first to say, "Welcome to the Dark Side!" and "Resistance is futile...". You will quickly become addicted to true photography.

    Second: That Minolta is definitely NOT OLD!!! But treat her nicely and she'll give you some nice photos.

    Now... when you start talking about pre Anniversay v. post Anniversary Graphics, your getting into older cameras. When you talk about uncoated lenses, then you may be talking older photography...just barely.

    Like the others have said, rewind completely and pop the end off with a bottle opener (church key for us older folks in the US).

    I've gone over to the Patterson developing tanks because they have these little feed tools that load the film onto the reel perfectly. With the stainless tanks and reels I almost always leave part of the strip touching thereby ruining at least a frame or two.

    Have fun!!!