Newly discovered color photos from Hitler's home

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    It was probably either Agfacolour Neu or Agfacolour Ultra transparency films both of which were very slow around 2 or 4 ASA.
     
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    2 or 4 ASA? Wow...talk about sloooooow!
     
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    Interesting pictures. It doesn't seem right though, he lives in a very nice place and the Jews die in horrble condtions.

    Jeff
     
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    ...and the homosexuals too, Jeff, let's not forget that part. - David Lyga
     
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    Add in there gypsys and other "undesirables".

    A ton of flash must be used if you want to expose an iso 4 film indoors huh.
     
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    I think that the provenance of these pictures was established a few years ago, and that they are now held by Time Life. Possibly some have just been newly released, but color photos of the house itself are very well known, appearing in various contemporary books, and even on sets of postcards (I have a few cards from the time, and some have the description "Agfacolor" in the printing on the reverse).

    There is a lot of info about Agfacolor from its first introduction on
    http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Colour_Darkroom/Early_Agfa.html.

    I recall also a few years ago that pictures from that era taken on Kodachrome were published...I recall a thread (not sure if it was here or on another forum) which queried if this were possible, and it seemed that there was a Kodak lab in Berlin up to the time the US entered WW2.

    As David says, it is good that these are preserved and published to remind us of the evils of the time.
     
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    ... and gypsies (Sinti and Roma mostly) and communists and socialists and tradeunionists and priests and... and... It was a so tremendous tragedy that distinctions or rankings are meaningless.
     
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    The architectural shots of the interiors definitely look like time exposures. Not sure about the two with people...the shadows don't particularly look like flash, but IDK.

    Given the big flashbulbs and reflectors of that era (the 1930's bulbs were about the size of a standard light bulb!), it probably wasn't too difficult to use iso 4 film indoors....remembering also that 10ASA Kodachrome was in use up to about 1960 with relatively small bulbs.
     
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    And the disabled and mentally ill, along with race defilers, the evil that man does and never learns from history.
     
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    There is a series on the Military Channel that has footage in color. It's either "World War II in Color" or "The Color of War." One series uses old black and white films that have been colorized and the other uses color shot at the time. Both series are excellent to get a feel for the time. I grew up on black and white images of the war. Seeing it in color shocks the senses the first time.
     
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    If Hitler's illegitimate father had kept his mothers name that he was originally christened that was later changed to Hitler he would have probably never come to power in Germany because nobody was going to shout, heil Shicklgruber, it would have been too ridiculous :D
     
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    I've seen that one. I think it was the b&w film that was colorized that I watched. The colors look somehow 'false'. Interesting series though.
     
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    There was also a large element of homosexuality in the National Socialist movement, party, and the S.S. in general, even in Hitler's personal bodyguard the S.S Begleitkommando it was rife.
     
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    And wounded WWI vets and the aged in nursing homes.
     
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    Hitler's ideology aside, I think there's something more worrisome.

    It is that Hitler held himself above the people he governed and even the rest of the world.

    When one answers the call to public service, he should remember that he temporarily assumes a LOWER station in life.
    There are two active words here: "temporary" and "lower." To work as a government officer, one puts himself under the will of the people. Although there might be times when he is called upon to use his authority to limit the will of the people, this should fall under the realm of Locke's Social Contract. Second the term of service should be temporary so as to prevent any one person from becoming too powerful.

    The perks of government are supposed to be there so that the public servant does not have to worry about putting his personal welfare in jeopardy as he does the work of the people. Again, the concept of temporary service should limit a person's access to perks.

    The point I'm driving at is that it is clear that Hitler placed himself above all that. He clearly thought it was his right to hold high office and force his will on others. These pictures only reinforce my belief that he was a sick person. Okay, his relationship with Dr. Morell had a lot to do with his sickness at the end but he was a pretty sick individual from the start.

    What's more troubling is that this belief in government superiority seems to be continuing in modern times.
    I'm not pointing at any particular government or any particular political figure but just look around you and see how many people in government hold themselves above the will of the people instead of servants to it.

    That is what I think Hitler's legacy truly is: That one person can take over a government and assume power.
    All right, that's not a new concept but what he did do is provide the model for how others can assume power in modern governments.
     
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    It wasn't Hitler alone he had plenty of accomplices most of them even more demented than him Goebbels, Himmler, Göring. Hitler was the face of the NAZIS but not always the man in power. What Hitler clearly shows to me is what humans and masses (propaganda) are able to do and how low civilization can stoop. Genocide is not a german invention and the killings in the third reich were only the first in a series of genocides in the 20th century Pol Pot, Stalin, Papa Dog, Rwanda/Kongo and many more. It's amazing but it seems that humans never learn from the past quiet the contrary in fact.

    Fully agree with this point
    What's more troubling is that this belief in government superiority seems to be continuing in modern times.
    I'm not pointing at any particular government or any particular political figure but just look around you and see how many people in government hold themselves above the will of the people instead of servants to it.

    Dominik
     
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    Yes, you're right. Hitler did not act alone but, as the figure head of the Nazi machine, we hold him up as a singular example of the wrongdoings of many people who acted together as a group. I agree that the Nazis were just the vanguard that paved the way for others who came after him.

    It just bugs the hell out of me to see somebody who is supposed to be a trustee of the people acting like Hitler did, as if he was better than the people he governed.

    This is an attitude that I am afraid is becoming all too common in today's governments. It is an attitude that needs to be stamped out.
    Regardless of the country people live in, the party they belong to or the political ideology they hold, I hope that people will consider this thought the next time they vote. If we don't, we might not be able to vote much longer.

    I hope these pictures will serve as a reminder to people.

    Remember: Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason.
     
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    Don't forgot the Armenian genocide in Turkey during the first world war. Just in the 20th century I'd bet there were other genocides before that, some covered up (like Turkey does to this day) or never reported.
     
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    Thanks L. Gebhardt for mentioning the Armenians I just choose the later massacres/genocides to show that we haven't learned a lot since 1945 and of course 1915.

    Dominik
     
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    How the Nazi genocide differed from all previous and subsequent ones was it was on a vast industrial scale.
     
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    Benji you're absolutely right but I feel that there is a danger that we will forget all other massacres because of the scale of the NAZI killing industry. It's already the case with the victims of the Nazis we are often forgetting the russians civilians that were killed in the concentration camps more than 6 millions or the Roma and Sinti, the Women accused of adultery (the only group with a near 100% mortality rate) that were used in the concentration camp brothels (yes they did exists and were used by prisoners that did good work mostly spying on others) and are still not officialy considered victims of the third reich death machine.

    Only looking at the third reich makes us blind to other genocides or medical experiments that are sometimes still done. We currently have a scandal in Austria involving experimentation with malaria on children from state run children homes starting in the 1960 until it seems quiet recently and Austria is not the only country to have done so. Its on a smaller scale but no less horiffic especially after the third reich, one would think that the practice of illegal medical experiments on children would have stopped.
    A friend of mine was with austrian military intelligence in Rwanda and still has nightmares from what he has seen. Pretty much all european as well as the US government had a military presence in Rwanda and they did nothing because the were to busy selling machets so that seven year old children could kill their neighbors. Around a million dead later the UNO declares their action a failure well some countries did their best to bloc the UNO in order to sell arms. Dead is dead it doesn't matter wether they were killed in an industrial fashion trough gas chambers or killed by a seven year old drugged out child with a machet hacking them to pieces.

    We should never forget any genocide of the 20th and the genocides to come in the 21st century and try our best to stop them from happening, incidently after killing Gaddafi the UNO does nothing against the ethnic cleansing ( people with dark skin)in Lybia by the former rebel militia.

    So my question do we learn from the past?

    Dominik
    (praying that we learn from the past and stop bad things to happen in the future)
     
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    Agreed. As my father used to say about government officials, councillors, police officers, etc. "They are our servants, not our masters".


    Steve.
     
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    Well said Dominik. But let's not also forget the atrocities & cruelty that are STILL being done to animals in laboratories the world over. And the animals in shelters, and the animals in the streets. And farm animals. Yes, they're not human..but does that mean they deserve anything less from us?
     
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    As opposed to places like Rwanda where victims were lined up by the sides of the roads, summarily machine gunned then their bodies were simply left laying on the ground to rot.