oilprint - anyone?

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  1. gandolfi

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    my girlfriend and I just started trying the oilprint process...

    for some reason it seems that my twin brother might be the only on in the world that does this now...:smile:
    that can't be true..

    anyone in here?

    mind you: I am talking about the original oilprinting - not the bromoil which everybody seems to be doing...
     
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    I believe David Spencer does it as well, as least this is what I was told about his prints when I went to look at them. How do you do this oil prints? The ones I saw from Spencer were beautiful!
     
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    Are you talking about Rawling's oils??
     
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    now - I have NO idea who Rawling is - or his oils for that matter....

    the way to do it in a few words:

    take some fine graphic paper. apply 3-5 layers of gelatine on it - avoid bubbles and brush strokes...
    when dry, apply a 3% potassium chromate on the paper - "work it in"...

    then - when dry - place a LF negative on the paper - expose in sun light and put the paper in cold water and wash.
    dry the paper - and then let it soak in max 20degrees C water for about 20 min.

    then apply and remove oil paint (made stiff) until the "master piece" hopefully will appear.. (this part is the one that can take 25 years to learn.....)

    dry and drink some whisky! - you've earned it..

    I'll attach an oilprint I did some years ago...
     

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    Where does the name oil print come from ? It seems you are sensitizing gelatin (plus something else) with potassium chromate and making the U.V. exposed areas (through the negative) insoluble in water, while washing the unexposed parts out. I assume you do a color separation and apply 4 coats ?
    I´ve worked with silk-screen emulsions (PVA based) which work in a similar manner. Did I understand you correctly ?
     
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    Bromoil evolved from the oil-printing process developed by G.E.H. Rawlings in 1904, which is a pigment-based process using paper with a dichromated gelatin matrix requiring a negative the same size as the desired print size. In 1907, responding to the problems of using contact-sized negatives, E.J. Wall wrote a brief article suggesting the use of a bromide enlargement as the basis for the oil print.
     
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    not quite.
    sentizising only using the potassium dichromate.
    no colour separation - B/W neg and the colour(s) is mixed before applying...
     
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    Garry

    thanks for that!
    in that case, it is the first mentioned....

    I have knowlegde of so many doing the bromoil, but for some (strange) reason it seems that oil print is not so interesting..
    I wonder why, as in many ways te oil printing is easier than the brom oil.
    and a lot of people have LF cameras..
    (and you can use digitally made transparents using PS also..)

    "new" ground to try?
     
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    The Unblinking Eye site has a lot about pigment printing as well as Bromoil. I was looking for a workshop in the northeast US for these techniques earlier this year - no luck.
    David Lewis gave one last week at Photographers' Formulary out in Montana but my budget suffered a nervous breakdown as soon as I mentioned going.

    Next year...maybe?

    I'm interested in using the original print as a master for transfer printing as well. I've even got a press! I just can't seem to make the process work without the experience of going through it with someone who actually knows what he/she is doing.
     
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    Hi Emil, nice to see you on APUG
    I wrote you a couple of months ago, but you didn't answer... :sad:

    if you're interested I can send you some recipe and instructions I have in my books (rawlins oil print and many other processes) - write me an email and I will send some scan

    I'm experimenting with cyanotypes right now; I want to try one process at the time. But I will soon start printing in rawlins oil too. As for the "oleoprint" process there's this specific guide on Alt.Photo.com http://www.alternativephotography.com/process_oilprint.html
    but you should already know that

    Fulvio
     
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    hi fulvio
    yes - I know, as it is my twin brother that made that....
    I was just wondering whether others do it these days..
    seems not.
    aah well - then we can be the only ones in the world, and that is fun too....;-)
     
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    thanks for that link - interesting, and it seems that we are not the only ones doing this..
    beautiful images too..
    thanks again..

    (I'm sure, if you came to Denmark, my brother would be glad to give you tutoring in this technique..:wink:)
     
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    look like it - interesting, as he mails me with news, from time to time..
    have to read my mails more carefully :wink:
     
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    Ah, Denmark... By next year I may be ready. If I make it that far I'll at least stop by for a look at your work! Who knows?
     
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    whoops! didn't notice it was your brother, sorry
     
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    FULVIO

    eric Kellerman is coming here on monday and stays for some days...

    where are you?
     
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    Do you have a copy of "Photographic facts and Formulas" By Wall and Jordan(1940 edition)? It has a lot of infomation (formulas and techniques) for pigment processes(Oil,Bromoil, and Transfer)on pg.s 214-224. There are several inexpensive copies on ABE books(http://www.abebooks.com/).
     
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    thanks gerry
    I'll take a look
     
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    Still too far from your place. I'm very sorry I couldn't come. I sent you a PM right now.

    :sad:
     
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    We are not ALONE!
     
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    good to hear!
     
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    This process sounds interesting.