Old film spools

Discussion in 'Antiques and Collecting' started by Marcus, May 4, 2007.

  1. Marcus

    Marcus Member

    Messages:
    79
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Location:
    London, Engl
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Hi, I am trying to find some old & odd sized film spools, namely spools for the 117 film size. Any idea as to where I can get hold of one??

    120 film will fit onto 117 film spool. Amazingly I have managed to obtain one of these today (4 May!!), need at least one more so I can respool and get the camera working again!!

    Marcus
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 4, 2007
  2. Derek Lofgreen

    Derek Lofgreen Subscriber

    Messages:
    785
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2006
    Location:
    Colorado
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Marcus, I think the 117 spool is just a tad wider than the 120, probably a thinner spool too. I have an old 620 folder that I use 120 film in. I don't re-spool it either. What I do is take some 60 grit sand paper wrap it on a block and start sanding the plastic edges off and sand the top and bottom spindle thinner so it will fit the camera. It may sound like a hassle but it only takes me 5-10 minutes to get it to fit and the film works just fine. Just an idea.

    D.
     
  3. Marcus

    Marcus Member

    Messages:
    79
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Location:
    London, Engl
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Derek,

    Thanks for you kind reply. Film width if fine on the 117 spool that I have, 120 film will fit. It is the smaller diameter that I need - 120 spool is 1 inch wide, 117 spool 7/8 inch!!

    I know about 620 spools. Even they won't fit.

    Thanks again,

    Marcus
     
  4. Larry Dawson

    Larry Dawson Member

    Messages:
    6
    Joined:
    May 15, 2006
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    117 spools

    I believe that the 117 spool first appeared in the original Brownie. It may also have been used, with a different designation, in the Ica Icarette.

    I have an Icarette which most sources say takes 120 film. That is correct only for the film and paper. a 120 spool will not fit. A 620mspool will fit but
    the film can not be advanced because the key slot is too small.
    I cut down a plastic 120 spool to 620 size flanges and Lo! it will wind.

    I have discussed the spool size with other Brownie users and collectors and so far, none has been able to confirm the 117 data. But I believe it will
    work if you grind plastic 120 spools' flanges down to 620 diameter.

    PLeas elet me know if that works for you.

    Best regards,

    Larry Dawson
    ldawson@jisp.net


     
  5. Marcus

    Marcus Member

    Messages:
    79
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Location:
    London, Engl
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Hi Larry,

    Thanks for replying. I have an original Brownie, hence my problem. I also have an Ensign camera (1920/30's) which also takes the 117 size film. The spool came with the Ensign!

    I have discovered that a 120 spool is too wide on the diameter and 620 has the wrong size holes at each end, but otherwise okay sizewise. So other than obtaining a second 117 spool and respooling, I feel my only other option is to grind a 120 spool down to 620/117 size.

    Will grinding a spool affect the film if done with the film still on the spool?? What is the easiest way of doing this - a file or by sandpaper?

    Marcus
     
  6. seawolf66

    seawolf66 Member

    Messages:
    169
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2006
    Location:
    outside bost
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    spool??

    Marcus: here is a long shot for you to think about, jury-rig a way for the spool to chuck into a electric drill and set it at its lowest speed, and then apply a file to it or sand paper to it while it rotates, this should help you bring the spool into the size you need:\\\Lauren
     
  7. fotch

    fotch Member

    Messages:
    4,821
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2005
    Location:
    SE WI- USA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    If you can measure the diameter you need and post it here or PM it to me, I will try turning this down in my Sherline lathe. I have extra 120 spools to use.

    I think cutting the flange down would be better than sanding it down. If you do sand it, be sure to wash the entire spool as the grit/dust may be caught in the smallest places and end up on your film or in your camera.
     
  8. Derek Lofgreen

    Derek Lofgreen Subscriber

    Messages:
    785
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2006
    Location:
    Colorado
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Like I said Marcus, I use a very rough sheet of sand paper and grind it down by hand. It only takes about 10 minutes to grind a 120 spool with the film on it. So far I have had no ill effects to the film when I grind it down. Use your spare 117 spool to be your take up spool so you don't have to worry about the slot size.

    D.
     
  9. Marcus

    Marcus Member

    Messages:
    79
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Location:
    London, Engl
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Thank for all your kind replies.

    I have now managed to reduce a 120 spool to 620 proportions, and fits accordingly. All I have to do is to respool a film!

    Wish me luck.....

    Marcus
     
  10. Derek Lofgreen

    Derek Lofgreen Subscriber

    Messages:
    785
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2006
    Location:
    Colorado
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Why are you respooling? just grind down the 120 spool with the film on it.

    D.
     
  11. Marcus

    Marcus Member

    Messages:
    79
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Location:
    London, Engl
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    I guess I'm a bit hesitant about getting any dust on the film.
    It is more than likely okay if I do, just hesitant.

    I will try it soon!
     
  12. Marcus

    Marcus Member

    Messages:
    79
    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Location:
    London, Engl
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Hi,

    Have managed to reduce a 120 film spool with film on it to 620 size!! Film has been shot & developed, and all has come out beautifully!!

    Will now be repeating this process again.

    Thanks for all your help & advice.

    Marcus
     
  13. Derek Lofgreen

    Derek Lofgreen Subscriber

    Messages:
    785
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2006
    Location:
    Colorado
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Glad it worked for you Marcus. Now lets see some of those images!

    D.