'Other' warmtone papers?

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  1. hoffy

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    Howdy,

    Since I have been printing, I have been very limited in the papers I have used - basically, its been pretty much Ilford, except for trying some Arista EDU recently.

    My favourite paper thus far has been the Ilford Warmtone (RC in Perl). I would like to give some other warmtone papers a try, this time in Fibre. What are peoples thoughts on other warmtone papers that are available? What would be a good substitute to Ilford?

    Cheers
     
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    For regular printing I use Ilford Warmtone, but Forte also has a nice warmtone. The forte material can't get the extremes of contrast as well (if that is important to you) and tones much more vigorously. I think it looks better untoned than the Ilford looks untoned......I always at least selenium tone so this isn't important to me.
     
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    Foma makes its 131/132 Fomatone Classic emulsions. Warmer than Ilford.
    Foma makes the 531/532 with a 'natural' base as they call it. As far as I understand it, the emulsion is the same as 131/132, but the base is different.
    Seagull has its warmtone emulsion, which I haven't tried myself.
    Beyond that I scope Adox Variotone Warmtone. I have no idea what this paper is, but that's a third alternative.

    That's all I can find in warmtone papers anymore.
     
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    Adox MCC is a warmtone paper, you've missed that one Thomas. Agfa MCC was my main paper for many years I only stopped using it because Agfa ceased making films & papers.

    The warmth of all warmtone papers is easy manipulated with development controls, shorter exposures and longer development shifts towards cold, longer exposures and short development time or more dilute developer extent the warmth significantly.

    I've still got a couple of hundred sheets of Forte Polywarmtone but my choice in it's place would be Fomatone MG Classic 131, or at a push Ilford warmtone FB.

    Ian
     
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    I use Oriental WT. It is warmer than Ilford.
     
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    Last I looked Freestyle still has a few boxes of Salvich warmtone, I bought a box of grade 2 8X10 which I am happy with. I found a supplier in Washington who says they will carry Salvich.
     
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    Pray that Adox will bring back Polywarmtone as well.
     
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    Another + for Oriental. It's got a nice look to it that you'd like if you like Ilford's look. Its QC is also great too.

    Don't forego Ilford's warmtone in FB, either. Not sure how it looks, if any difference, between the RC version (which I haven't used) but it's stellar.
     
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    Could have fooled me by how neutral it looks. Do they really market it as a warmtone paper?
     
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    It's marketed as Neutral to warm black. But MCC was Agfa's warmtone paper in the last few years they made papers.

    If it's anything close to Agfa MCC then it's capable of good rich warmtones. Agfa MCC is very responsive to developers and with a good warmtone developer and the right exposure/dev times gives wonderful warm tones it was close to Record Rapid which it replaced although not as warm as the older Record Rapid which had cadmium in the emulsion.

    Warm tones can be deceptive and sometimes people don't realise what the tonal colours are like until you put a print alongside a true neutral toned paper.

    Ian
     
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    I'd call MCC 110 warm-neutral, a little warmer than say MGIV when developed in a neutral developer. But it's a subjective thing.
     
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    I agree that Adox MCC 110 is balancing between neutral and slightly warm. It is warmer than Ilford MGIV but not quite as warm as the old Agfa MCC 111 . Recently I tried a a few sheets of Berger Variable CB , Warmtone in Adox Adotol liquid WA ( Warmtone developer ) and it gave a realy wonderful warm feeling with deep blacks and still an almost neutral white emulsion on the edges. It is available at Fotoimpex in Berlin and hopefully also through other sources. It is quite expensive, but for the right pictures I think it can be worth a try.
    I have tried Ilford MGWT but that was from right after the paper was introduced. I thought that the emulsion was just a bit to creamy for my taste, but I have read somewhere that it has been changed. Right now I am awaiting a new delivery to see how it works.

    Karl-Gustaf
     
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    +1. Ilford MGFBWT is very different from MGRCWT. If you haven't used the FB version, think of it as an entirely new paper and try it along with whatever other papers you're considering.
     
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    "Beyond that I scope Adox Variotone Warmtone. I have no idea what this paper is, but that's a third alternative."

    This one's being made by Harman/Ilford if I'm not mistaken...
     
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    Try Slavich Bromoportrait 80 = I use teh #3 grade - very nice and tones brilliantly!
     
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    This thread is not about how a paper tones rather the natural tones of the paper created during development.

    Ian
     
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    Thanks for your opinions. I will probably get some Oriental for now

    How does the Bergger range rate?
     
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    Adorama has a house brand of fibre paper of which the matte has a gentle warmtone, I don't think they market it as warmtone but they do indictate it is warmer than the glossy version.
    It is also inexpensive so good for learning.
     
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    Whilst Adox MCC may be on the cool side of warm its response to gold toner suggests that it is a chlorobromide with bias towards the chloride end of things. I tried toning some Slavich unibrom (a true cold tone paper) in gold and it did not exhibit any colour shift.
     
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    Warm-tone papers .

    Greetings Hoffy, As you live in Australia give "Foma" papers a try , Cheaper than Ilford (better in my opinion ) Chris Reid -Owner of 'Blanco Negro' NSW, Foma s only Australian distributor. Will require mail order , but if you order carefully the postage is still cheap when averaged over the order. Warm tone is available in both RC & Fibre base. Look-up the web-site for more info .
    ....Cheers Barrie B. Melbourne .
     
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    I've settled on FOMABROM VC VELVET VARIANT IV123 for now. It is as warm as I have seen, and develops fully in LPD 1:3 in 2 to 2-1/2 minutes with rich full blacks, smooth mid-tones and highlights. The paper base is white, not off white or yellow or cream, etc. It is not as heavy a paper as the Ilfords and I find it needs about 15 more CC's of Magenta filter at each grade than they suggest.