Please help!!! E-6 process

Discussion in 'Color: Film, Paper, and Chemistry' started by louie2003louie, May 22, 2011.

  1. louie2003louie

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    I've asked many people on forums but nobody offers help. Can somebody please help me on this?

    I bought a PhotoTherm film processor last month for processing color slide. I went to B&H on 05/01 to purchase 7-step chemicals, but there were no one helped me on choosing the chemistry. The staff just didn't know about E-6. And the list is very confusing even the staff was perplexed. But he was able to helped me place the order. Here's the list;

    Kodak E-6 FIRST DEVELOP REPLENISHER 10-lit - KOE6DRF10L
    Kodak E-6 PRO. RVRSAL BATH & RPLNISHR 10-lit - KOE6RBR10L
    Kodak E-6 COLOR DEVELPR REPLENISHER 5-gal - KOE6DRC5G
    Kodak E-6 PRE-BLEACH II/REPLENISHER 10 LTR - KOE6PB2R10L
    Kodak E-6 BLEACH REPLENISHER 10-lit - KOE6BR10L
    Kodak E-6 FIXER & REPLENISHER 10-lit - KOE6FR10L
    Kodak E-6 FINAL RINSE & REPLENISHER

    I paid for it and have been waiting for 3 weeks (still waiting). Then I discovered from Kodak's website that the bleach contains two chemicals. One is very dark (bleach), one is clear (bleach starter). I've been googling around but there's no answer.

    Here's my question. Do I need the bleach starter?

    PLEASE HELP!!
     
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    When I first started doing c-41 color, I accidentally ordered only the Bleach starter, so for C-41 I do use it, and have enough to last some 150 processes. That being said, Photo Engineer has stated this which would indicate that it isn't necessary. It's a C-41 thread but he seems to be broadening it to the other color process (E-6) as well. My Kodak 5L E-6 kit doesn't have a bottle for Bleach Starter.
     
  3. Chuck Mintz

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    This is the list of needed chemicals from Kodak tech support

    ODAK PROFESSIONAL First Developer Replenisher, Process E-6; 8313611

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL First Developer Starter, Process E-6; 1671577

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL Reversal Bath and Replenisher, Process E-6; 1123611

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL Color Developer Replenisher, Process E-6; 8372542

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL Color Developer Starter II, Process E-6; 1858158

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL Pre-Bleach and Replenisher Additive, Process E-6; 1286228

    KODAK Bleach Replenisher, Process E-6; 8192395

    KODAK Bleach Starter, Process E-6; 1779792

    KODAK Fixer and Replenisher, Process E-6; 1545466

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL Final Rinse and Replenisher, Process E-6; 8140279

    While you might get way without the starters, they are cheap relative to the other stuff and long lived. Personally, I would not risk going without.

    Chuck
     
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    First you need to verify that your Phototherm is set up for 6 step. On older models the EPROM can be for 6 step or 3 step, but not both.

    If you have 6 step then keep moving forward. If you have 3 step only then you need an option chip from Phototherm.

    Last I knew it was a $100 upgrade.
     
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    Thanks for your input!!

    I already set the SSK4 to 7-steps. I ran a full test with water yesterday. It worked smoothly.



    My only concern is the chemcials now. It seems that I'm more confused now.

    From Chuck Mintz's post, I'm missing these three chemicals;

    KODAK PROFESSIONAL First Developer Starter, Process E-6; 1671577
    KODAK PROFESSIONAL Color Developer Starter II, Process E-6; 1858158
    KODAK Bleach Starter, Process E-6; 1779792

    Can somebody please tell me if I need the above three chemcials for E-6? Kodak and B&H's websites don't tell much information about them. And I have no way to find out the answer. Is there a number I can call Kodak? They don't provide a customer hotline for inquiry. It's already a long wait. I don't wanna screw up my photos.

    Please help.
     
  6. SkipA

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    Here's a post I made in another thread. The main thing here is to note the link to Ian Mazursky's spreadsheet that has detailed instructions for breaking down the 10 liter kits, which is what you appear to be using. Use of the starters is highly recommended.

     
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    Thanks SkipA!! Now I have an idea, though I'm still not very clear.

    The three starters I'm missing should be for a better result similar to a seasoned tank. To my understanding, they're not necessary. Without them, the results may be unstable. I'm not sure if I get it right.



    I'm just a film enthusiast. I have no prior experience in developing films myself. So I really need you guys' help. Thanks!!
     
  8. Photo Engineer

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    You DO need both the E6 First Developer Replenisher and Starter and both the E6 Color Developer Replenisher and Starter. You do NOT need Starter for the Bleach, Fix, Reversal bath, Prebleach, and Final Rinse.

    The most critical steps are the First Developer and the rinse after the First Developer. All others go to completion. The Color Developer is critical in terms of chemistry composition but otherwise it goes to completion as do the Bleach, Fix and etc.

    PE
     
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    Thank you PE.

    That means I need to buy;

    - First Developer Starter, Process E-6;
    - Color Developer Starter II, Process E-6;

    But not;

    - Bleach Starter

    If I get you right.


    When the chemicals arrive, I need to mix First Developer with First Developer Starter and Color Developer with Color Developer Starter. Right?
     
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    Even though E-6 CD runs to completion.. if you do not add starter to it, the colour is all completely messed up.
     
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    I got cubes of E-6 chemistry from our local pro-lab when they stopped developing film. I use Trebla starters with my Fuji chemistry, lot cheaper. I'd order from armidillo photo supply out of texas, they are cheaper and they normally have it in stock.
     
  12. Chuck Mintz

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    My info came directly from Kodak tech support via an email exchange.
    Chuck
     
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    This is correct.

    PE
     
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    Thank you so much for all your help. Wanna give each one of you a big kiss. I just called B&H and added those starters to my order.

    Don't know how much longer to wait. I already have a pile of films in the cupboard waiting to be developed and it keeps piling up since it's spring, photo shooting time!!

    All these chemcials alone cost me $524.18. Plus the SSK4 machine, reels, tubes, chemical bottles, a new rack for the whole set, it's just too much. I hope it turns out to be the same amount of fun.
     
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    I hope it all turns out well for you.

    Good luck.

    PE