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Discussion in 'Product Availability' started by epig, Nov 1, 2011.
For those who like to shoot plus-x in 35mm, buy it now as it's slated for the chopping block.
Frankly, Kodak has been sending mixed signals about Plus-X for a bit. But it looks like it's finally official:
I've always preferred FP4 to Plus-X, but this is very sad news all the same.
Glad i secured some, great film with a long history going away
I really want to shoot plus-x in 4x5 but that time is long gone. Too bad, Sorry for whoever shoot it in 135.
Kind of figured it was going this way when 1) Arista Premium was introduced in the first place, and 2) Arista Premium 100 was then pulled while leaving the 400.
Got hammered for this observation eleven months ago,
From a 12/08/2010 post:
"So did anyone else notice that Kodak Plus-X film has now been relegated to also-ran status on Kodak's Professional Black & White Films webpage?
"It's now listed way down at the bottom under the heading "Other Black and White Films" along with T-MAX P3200, and now merits only two lonely sentences of product information description.
"I wonder why that is?"
This was pretty much posted to death a few months ago, at which time I confessed to buying up 7 tins of 100' (arista). I will love it until it is gone.
Wonder what will happen with the MP plus-x?
Very sad; very sad, indeed.
But I love thier honesty:
"While there is no direct replacement for PLUS-X 125 Film, you may find ILFORD FP-4+ the world's finestgrained black-and-white film, to be a reasonable alternative. "
I made the same observation about a year ago. Nobody commented. You are very observant and very intuitive!
I wondered a bit when I saw Ken's original comment on this but put it off to his antiKodak bias
Haha Ken, just pulling your missing hands
This is sad news, I learned on Plus X when I had to talk my professor into it because TMX was required by the Photo 1 program where I studied.
It was discontinued a while ago, mid-2010.
Truth be told Brian, I wish that hadn't turned out to be the case.
The ironic thing is, with the benefit of hindsight my guess would be that the reason Plus-X was so relegated was that Kodak had probably just then coated the final runs. They knew it, but we didn't. We were just making educated guesses.
If true, or even just close to true, it makes you wonder what other Kodak films are already dead men walking...
Go to the Industry News forum and read the thread on more rumor mongering.
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Not quite sure about that.. I already figured sometime ago that Plus-X supply had dried up and moved to T-max 100 and Paterson FX39 1:9-1:14 combo ..and I can't complain.
I'd say I am not surprised but I am a bit sad that it's gone. The I-told-you-so guys are probably feasting on jellied eyeballs and beer right now.
I'm surprised our friends haven't graced this thread with their good presence yet.
The writing was on the wall when 120 PX was cancelled. FP4+ is great stuff in 135 and 120.
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Yes and no. At box speed I too prefer FP4+ by a small margin. But since I stock Diafine for use with Tri-X I sometimes run Plus-X in Diafine which, oddly enough, I prefer at 400 to Tri-X at box speed, at least in 35mm where grain is more important. In Diafine it's about 2/3s to a full stop faster effective speed than FP4+.
I'll buy up some, not a huge stock but some.
Since TMZ was listed way down the page too I may start moving to Delta 3200 in 35mm for my very high speed film. I use it in 120 now (because I can't get TMZ.)
The way Kodak is cancelling films I won't be surprised to see TMZ cancelled entirely any day now.
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Looks like Kodak is well on their way to just making printers. I can't see that either, as they will probably just have them made in China, and become a marketing company. Sure is sad to see great old companies going down the tubes.
The truth of the matter is that Plus-X was down there for quite some time before you noted it. As TMZ has been. I know that TMZ was down there last year when there was the TMZ shortage. And everyone said TMZ was cancelled, when the reality was it was sold out in the warehouse. A month or two later, Kodak coated another batch and it was back on the market. So equating 'not in a primary location on webpage' to 'the final run has been coated' is probably taking it too far. I do think we can all agree though that the lack of primary location on the webpage is reserved for the slower selling films (now film). But we all know TMZ and Plus-X are less popular than Kodak's other B&W offerings.
Here is the Kodak page in March, 2009:
Here it is in July, 2008:
I had to go back to October 13, 2007 to see Plus-X listed on the main page. It looks like they removed it when Kodak released TMY-2.