Problems with Arista EDU 400

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  1. imjustintime

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    I bought about 20 rolls of this stuff. I have shot it with both a Mamiya RZ and Hassy 500cm, and I have gotten this black line with both of the cameras. It has happened when developing at school and here at home, so I am ruling out that my tank is messed up, and that the camera has a light leak. I have shot around 3 rolls of this film without any problems, and have shot various rolls of print and slide film(color) and the line hasn't appeared. I am using d76 1:1 in a paterson tank. Anyone have any ideas as to what could be causing this?

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  2. Kobin

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    I've had trouble with the film (Arista Edu (Hungary) and J&C Classic -- all Forte, I believe) being so loosely rolled that light leaks expose the edges even when the film is loaded/unloaded in subdued light. I've had entire frames fogged. I stopped using the film.

    K.
     
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    The exact same thing happened to me on 2 rolls from 2 different cameras..I'm out of the stuff but pretty pissed about it now that I see it wasn't ME and my new 'glowing hands' shiny Timex I was wearing when I rolled the stuff up..

    I was using the edu.ultra 400 from the Czech Republic ...maybe title this thread WARNING:Arista.edu 400 Ultra
     
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    how would that explain that line 1/4 of the way down from the top of the film? is it just shitty manufacturing?
     
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    I used forte before, paper and film. I found their QC wasn't that great.
    I used the Ultra version (foma, from CZ), both paper and film (135 and 120). I had no problem with them at all.
     
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    Funny thing is I don't recall EDU 100 has frame number pre printed on the neg...
     
  7. Jersey Vic

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    Mine was the edu ULTRA 'made in the Czech Republic' and it has the same #'s whereas the edu 'Made in Hungary' did not (nice film though).
    I'm getting a refund and not shooting any more of it.
    2 rolls ruined is a 1/2 day + wasted... to save $1.50 on TriX?
     
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    The "Arista" films, regardless of "Ultra" or "edu" or "AristaII" etc., are private labels used exclusively by Freestyle for their personal lines of b/w films, papers and chemicals. You get a refund from Freestyle. They have a very good gurantee. They have a 100% money back guarantee, IIRC.
     
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    This bums me out. I just bought a bunch of this stuff. I guess you get what you pay for.

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    Do contact Freestyle, they are really good about quality control problems. I have never had a problem so glaring, but I do believe that the QC from foma and other central european/eastern european brands is quite a bit worse than Ilford/Kodak/Fuji/etc.
     
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    I know that Freestyle has a 100% satisfaction guarrantee. call them and they will eresolve the issue.
     
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    I've gone through about 20 rolls of the stuff which I purchased a year ago to the date. I've had a few problems but the lines i've never experienced. I do roll mine _tight_ and even keep them in an empty m&m container or an airborne herbal drink container.

    I've had the frame numbers intrude into the frame, i've had rolls which will not rewind in a pentax 645, or load for that matter. I've had rolls that start and end at different positions, etc. I personally don't care for the 400. I rate it at 200 and it works much better for me. The 100 is pretty decent. I still would rather stick with Tri-X or HP-5..

    do a search, you'll find a real lot. probably a lot with me repeating myself often :smile:
     
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    I feel for the person who needs to return 10-20-40, etc rolls-but they need to because this is a major manufacturing defect and it's not usable. The fact that 2 people using at least 3 cameras have the exact same issue tells me it's not synchronicity. It's a shame and useless if one can't trust their materials.
     
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    Ive got a bit of that in my freezer and I'll shoot a roll to test it tomorrow. What's the lot number on the film with the line in it?
     
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    I got a few rolls to pad my order for J&C's moving sale. I haven't experienced any glaring defects, but I'm reasonably sure the gunk I've seen now and then in the emulsion didn't come from me during processing.
    Good film for toy cameras, perhaps?
     
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    The arista edu.ultra 400 film boxes I still have from this order are imprinted:

    4 2009

    04256 2

    Even if it was free it's too unpredictable to be useful. Return it.
     
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    i use the films from time to time and have found that with care in loading the camera I have lessened the problem to the point that it does not affect the image area.
     
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    I've used 10 rolls of the Ultra 100 and 10 rolls of the Ultra 200 in 120 plus 50 sheets of 4x5 Ultra 200 for my pinhole camera.
    Not a single problem here.
    But I just don't like it as well as Ilford.
    The Aritsa is cheap and fun to play (experiment) with but their registration marks for the 120 were off a little too.
    I'll still use it but not for anything really important.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    I've never had this problem before and it was spotty in that I shot 10 rolls and found it on only 2 and those 2 were shot in different cameras and in different lighting situations (broad daylight and very subdued indoor light). It's the unpredictability of it that's really troubling.
     
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    I'm a very casual shooter and in the last two years or so I've used about 30 rolls and never had any problems. I shoot with a Diana, Yashica Mat 124 and an RB-67.

    Keep in mind that when I buy I get 20 rolls at a time so it's possible I've only seen two batches. Maybe even one.
     
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    I processed 6 rolls yesterday, and got these streaks on 2 rolls. This is out of a lot of 20 that I've shot 14 rolls of...

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    I wonder whether it's a light leak in the machine that puts the edge markings on, as I've shot lots of the EDU Ultra sheet film and not seen anything like this.

    Jim