Ok so I have in mind three different Voigtländer lens that I would like to get one of, so going to list off desirable traits I'd like to see in order of most important to me to least, then the lens themselves with some thoughts I've gathered from them. I am using a Canon P rangegefinder for those curious which camera I have that takes Leica Thread Mount lens. Desired Traits 0) Budget of about 340$ or less ( under 300$ is a plus ). 1) Something 35mm or wider (preferably 28mm and wider, tho my canon has 35, 50, and 100 frame lines) 2) Compact size from base of mount to front of lens. I'd like something I'd be able to put into my coat/jacket pocket when attached to the lens. Right now I can moderately do so with the Canon 50mm f/1.8 attached to it. Collapsible lens are a bad idea as most of them that I know of would "nick' the top light baffle plate and I've already had to repaint the tiny nick on the top inside the camera from a Leica Leitz Elmar collapsible scratching up against it when collapsed in a particular way ( if the fin is on top,t hen its the problem if the fin is on the bottom (ie: gap between two of the fins on the top) then its not a problem) However seems most of the wide lens are pretty short in length as it is and would be better than my 50mm collapsible or not. 3) speed of aperture, while I'm used to having something faster than f/2, faster would be preferable on a wider lens, however its the least important of the traits as the three lens I'm thinking about are no faster than f/3.5 The Canidates as found on cameraquest.org (http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtlen.htm) (in order of desirability thus far) 21mm f/4 Color-Skopar - 329$ new Lens seems small, I'm told by some its quite nice. Its not too fast (f/4) however that may not even be a big deal. Comes with it's own viewfinder if I choose to use it. Not sure if that small hood is removable or not. It is rangefinder coupled though I wonder if thats even necessary with the capability of hyperfocal settings. 28mm f/3.5 Color-Skopar - 285$ A little faster, and a little cheaper. And "appears" to be a little smaller, but the focal length is longer. Also I have not heard anything bout the 28/3.5 so not sure exactly what to think of it, but seems easier for my budget (thats assuming I can get any of my cameras sold/traded on my trade ad to add up to that to that money) 15/4.5 Aspherical Super-Wide Heliar - 345$ A friend of mine has the 15mm and really likes it, is not rangefinder coupled but according to even him it really doesnt even matter, it can be treated almost literally as a point and shoot lens just stop down the aperture some. But I can't help but think that maybe it would be 'too wide' Any pros or cons any of you guys can offer on these selections, or even possibly other advised models/etc. The Voigtlanders appear to be a good deal given what quality they are against their 'new' prices.