question about German lense

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  1. titus bear

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    Found a large studio camera (Ansco) in an attic, with a 9" X 9" plate with a German lens.

    C.P. Goerz Berlin No. 26355
    Serie III No.6. F=300 m/m
    Doppel - Anastigmat F: 7,7 D.R.P. No. 74437

    15 diaphragm blades. #'s on aperature: 6,12,24,48,96,192,384,768

    any insights /ideas re: specifics of the lens (history, performance envelope, how to clean, maintain, use).

    can be seen at http://contemplativeeye.com/goerzberlin.htm

    titus
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  2. Ian Grant

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    It's an early German Dagor before Goerz adopted the name which is short for Doppel Anastigmat Goerz, and it also uses an old style aperture nomenclature. It's an early Dagor they were introduced in 1892 and by the early 1900's the 300mm/12" had been redesigned to give f6.8.

    The 6 is f7.7
    12 = f11
    24 = f16
    48 = f22
    96 = f32
    192 = f45
    384 = f64
    768 = f90

    Coverage is good, 10x8 at full aperture and 10x12when stopped dow to f16 and 12x15 by f64, and depending on the condition should be a good performer.

    It needs cleaning with care, but may be a very usable lens, you need to find a shutter, a Packard or Thornton Pickard ideally to use it with. You can find plenty about Dagors on the internet.

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    Nice lens! A cheap and fun way to start using your old Ansco camera and Goerz lens would be with B&W enlarging paper, which can be developed using inexpensive developer and fixer under a red or amber safelight. The resulting image will be a negative, which can be reversed either on a flatbed scanner, or by contact printing, or by shooting another copy of the first negative. Results will not be as good as with far more expensive sheet film, but still capable of making decent images.
     
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    Should have added I use an American Goerz Am Opt 12" Dagor on my 10x8 Agfa Ansco, I was told by the previous owner the lens was useless. It's actually a superb performer, very sharp, plenty of contrast, mine was factory coated after WWII. So give yours a go.

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    I have this lens' cousin or brother. It is my standard lens on the 7x17.
     
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    Know this is an old thread, but he has a extremely early Dagor. Goerz themselves said they had sold 30,000 by 1895 (!). and his serial number is below that. Since Goerz built other lenses besides the Dagor and probably used sequential serial numbers, his could be very early, like the first year of production. Interesting that they has Series III on it that early. Figured that didn't get engraved until after 1904.
     
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    That is a fabulous lens, and a great camera---I'm jealous!!
     
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    Hi Titus

    The link that you posted cannot be currently accessed at my end - if you could post again, I'd be grateful

    Ian mentioned the 300mm f6.8, 'follow on lens', which I have, it's probably not as sharp as yours, is a little soft, which is exactly what I need

    Good luck with the camera and lens


    andrew
     
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    Andrew, my 12" (300mm) f6.8 Dagor is a very sharp lens. Dagors like Tessar's must have benefited from new optical glasses as they became available and I think there's probably slight differences in quality between the Goerz Am Opt versions compared to the German lenses.

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    thx Ian

    best

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    http://contemplativeeye.com/Goerzberlin/ will work. Have to reconfigure site at providers servers. sorry.