RB67 polaroid back

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    Is there a polaroid back for the RB67 that accepts currently available film?
     
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    Yes. The Polaroid backs for the RB67 accepted Polaroid land pack film, the Fuji FP film pack (not the Instax films) is a drop-in replacement for pack film, FP-100C is a colour ISO 100 pack film in glossy or silk finish, FP-3000B is a black and white ISO3200 pack film. FP-100B is/was a black and white ISO 100 pack film which may or may not have been discontinued, it's certainly difficult to get hold of at a reasonable price.

    I picked up a Polaroid back last month, and the Fuji FP films work very well. The RB67 can't fill the image area of Polaroid/Fufi inatant film, so you get a square image and a couple of black bands either side where the receptive area of the film sits outside the projected image.
     
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    Yes, Mamiya and NPC Land Polaroid backs work great in the RB67 with Fuji pack film. B&H has the cheapest prices I've seen and they still have the FP-100C, FP-100B (while it lasts, discontinued, though Fuji USA says they have so much they're worried they'll still have some after their 11/2011 and 12/2012 expiry dates so no real rush) and FP-3000B in stock.

    Fuji USA may start dumping the FP-100B before it is stale dated so the prices could be good soon. Very sad as it is wonderful film but obviously we don't shoot enough of it. The FP-3000B works too, even outdoors so we'll still have color and B&W pack film options even when the 100B runs out but the 100B is better.
     
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    Is there only one flavor of RB67 polaroid back, then? Just wondering so that I don't accidentally buy the wrong one.
     
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    Steer clear of the 545/545i backs. These backs were for sleeved, single sheet, instant film. This film has not be available new since 2008, and nobody else makes any instant film for these backs.

    The 545/545i backs are easily identified by a toggle lever on the face of the device. (see link)

    Also, remember that peel-apart instant film cannot be frozen for long-term storage, (the cellophane tube of developing chemicals rupture when frozen, and will then harden and dry out).

    http://benneh.net/archives/lf/polaroid.jpg
     
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    For 100B and 3000B Fuji has warmup times from frozen for their pack films in the data sheets. 24 hours for extended term storage under 0C. Time to freeze some FP-100B!

    100C just says 10C so perhaps the color pack film is different and cannot be frozen.
     
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    So I don't want 545 backs. What is the name of the back that I DO want?
     
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    search on ebay for "mamiya rb67 polaroid back" and you will see the ones you want ready to go. they are not cheap. it's a mamiya universal/press polaroid back + a "mamiya p-adapter". you can buy them separate, may sometimes be cheaper.

    kind regards

    reinhard
     
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    I have been thinking about getting one for my RB67 as well and I have found the above discussion very useful. One question I have is it possible to fit the RZ67 polaroid back onto a RB67?
    Stephen
     
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    According to this chart, the RB and RZ Polaroid backs are not interchangeable.
     
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    .........hpulley, "For 100B and 3000B Fuji has warmup times from frozen for their pack films in the data sheets."


    I don't know where you are getting your information from,
    but freezing, peel apart, instant film, is not advisable, never has been.
    If you have information stating otherwise, please post URL's to those links.
    This is nothing more than wishful thinking, not fact.


    IIRC, nowhere in Fuji literature has there ever been any reference to the words "Freezer" or "Frozen," or the mention of temperatures below 0 degrees Celsius, 32 degrees Fahrenheit when referencing long term storage of their, peel apart, instant films.

    The term "Refrigerator" is used, but not "Freezer," and temps in the range of 10 degree C, 50 degrees F.


    Fuji data sheet; half way down page 2, right side
    http://www.fujifilm.com/products/instant_photo/pdf/fp_100b_datasheet.pdf
     
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    There are plenty of Polaroid backs about on Ebay, the buy-it-now price seems to be around £90, but those that go to auction are £30-60. Check it comes with the P-adapter, but be prepared for the seller not knowing the answer. If you can see a photo of the front of the back (the dark slide facing you) there should be four screw heads visible and facing you if the adapter is fitted.
     
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    There were several companies making, and/or modifying Polaroid backs, for a variety of cameras in the day.
    The link below identifies a distinction between Mamiya backs and those made/modified by NPC and others.

    It states that the Mamiya backs also require the "P" Adapter, while the NPC backs don't need the adapter.
    Along with the advice of Alastair, (above), and the link (below), the non-Mamiya backs (NPC and othera) apparently had aspects of the "P" adapter, built into their backs for the RB's. The revolving adapter may need to be removed with either back.


    With the absence of more experienced RBr's chiming in here, (I'm a RZ user) I would suggest contacting
    reputable re-sellers like KEH, in Georgia, or B&H, in New York.
    Don't bother with Adorama; they seem to be bothered with answering phone inquiries or emails: ie...they won't respond.



    http://photo.net/medium-format-photography-forum/00DRjU
     
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    In the manner of the link that Marc has given.. some recent/current listings that illustrate this topic..

    This listing and this listing have the P-adapters visibly fitted (you can see the four screw heads and the two L-brackets.

    I think that this listing is one of the third-party backs that doesn't require the P-adapter (can someone confirm?) - incidentally, I like the "remove before flight" tag on the darkslide, that's something I might add as there are no interlocks with a Polaroid back.
     
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    I got my data from the Fuji data sheets for FP-100B and FP-3000B, both page 2 say:
    How much clearer can it be???

    http://www.fujifilmusa.com/shared/bin/fp3000b-ds.pdf
    http://www.fujifilmusa.com/shared/bin/fp100b-ds.pdf

     
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    Though the how-to on the Japanese site and the pdf you pointed to does say 10C "use the fridge please", so it is inconsistent.
    http://fujifilm.jp/personal/filmandcamera/film/instant/howto001.html

    フィルムの保存温度は10℃以下に

    ■フィルムを長期保存する場合は、家庭用冷蔵庫をお使いください。

    Perhaps I'll need to experiment with a pack.
     
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    I freezed FP-100c myself. No problem.

    The "don't freeze instant film" is true for Polaroid products. Fuji was smart enough to solve this problem. Also Fuji instant film can be kept much longer after expiration, even unfrozen and even at room temperature, than Polaroid material. I have FP-100c that I bought expired (2 years in the shop) 7 years ago. Don't know how it was stored in the shop (guess at room temperature) but I stored it in the freezer, in the fridge, in the basement, at room temperature in this 7 years. (Depending on how much I needed the freezer or fridge for other things.) Now it's going onto his 10th year and still works. I had 60 packs, used 2 last year, have 40 to go. (Well... it was cheap and they gave plus discount for buying all they had avaible.)

    Fuji FP material is suffering largely from urban legend that it inherited from Polaroid:
    - "bad resolution and unnatural colors" -- not true, this material very much approaches normal CN film in my opinion (and if you bleach the negative of FP-100c and scan from there you will approach MF or even LF).
    - "expensive" -- One FP-100c picture cost about 1,10 EUR, FP-3000B maybe 1,60 EUR. One frame of slide film would cost you more, one 10x15 print the same if you take in account material, developing and printing cost.
    - "can't be stored over expiration" -- not true again, don't know if you can store it as long as non-instant film but for shure it can be stored years to go

    I never understood the need to support expensive experiments with PX film when at the same time Fuji offers much cheaper much better quality.

    OK, now why I accessed this thread.
    I recently got a Fuji back for the RB67. (That means it is a back for Packfilm and it has the Fuji logo embossed in the plastic.) It goes onto the P-adapter.
    My question is how to load it and where would the picture placed on the film. Also is it of no importance which direction I fix it on the P-adapter?
     
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    The HP701 doesn't need the P adapter.

    I have the RB67 ProSD Polaroid Pack Film Holder HP701 and it does not require the P adapter. I have never used it but did mount it on the camera once. It seems to fit fine. No I do not want to sell it. I only paid $15 for it used from a pro photographer and he claimed to only use it a few times. I would look into that one as you don't need to monkey with the adapter.
     
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    Thinking of picking up one myself for the rb67, what is the fuji back that you picked up?
     
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    Hello!

    Looking to acquire a polaroid back. I saw a few on ebay but some which said "may not be compatible with new fujifilm". Is there any such issues with the Backs that are either with a P-adapter or have that kind of inserts?
     
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    Out of curiosity, do people use these because they like the result of a Polaroid print, or is this more of a case of old-school chimping to verify lighting setup, etc?
     
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    Me? Because I want to experiment with the polaroid prints (and the negatives, if I can manage that) and also because when I was out in the Kumbh Mela (travelogue), I was constantly asked to provide an instant print by people there, and I think, even in the age of digital everything, something physical like a print - even a polaroid print has major "Aha!" potential.

    I prefer using a digital to verify lighting setup (although sometimes it may not stop down enough)
     
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    I use them for fun, haha. The thing with lighting is the 3000b is rated so fast that I have trouble comparing it to what I'm shooting. Really, that's my lack of experience.
     
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    some people will have used them for setup and grey scale but I used them as the deliverable...