Really old zeiss-ikon enlarger (medium format)

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    Hi everyone,
    i'm trying to find out wich enlarger i have. I found it in my grandparents home, it was used by my great grandfather. That's why i think it must be a really old one. Does someone have a catalogue where i can look at it?
    I will post as soon as possibile a picture of it. The enlarger is black and mount a Rodenstock 50mm, i guess.
    Thanks everybody,
    Elio
     
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    Here are the pictures of the zeiss enlarger and last two are of a Durst that i don't know the name of.
     

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    The Zeiss Ikon (no hyphen) enlarger appears to be a Miraphot, which was first made in the 1930s. I have two of Zeiss Ikon enlargers -- for 35mm and for 120.

    I was going through some literature yesterday and came across a photo of what appears to be your enlarger. Send me your e-mail address through APUG, and I will scan it for you.

    Is this the enlarger with the Rodenstock lens?
     
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    Thanks for the reply,
    the zeiss ikon mount a novar anastigmatic lens, it's the durst that mount the Rodenstock, i apologize.
     
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    What numbers are on the Novar lens? I believe this is a medium format enlarger from the 1930s. It should keep its focus as you move the entire unit up or down to change the size of the enlarged image.
     
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    It looks pre-WWII, I just went to look in a 1935 BJP Almanac but Zeiss don't list an enlarger. Try the Zeiss catalogues on Photoeccentric.

    Welcome to APUB BTW

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    It does keep the focus. I like it.
    The lens says 1:6,3 F=13,5cm and the number is 1311425.

    @ Ian: thanks for the welcome! I can't find the Zeiss catalogues... actually, i can't find Photoeccentric neither.
     
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    My mistake, it's CameraEccentric :D

    There's two Zeiss catalogues listed.

    Ian
     
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    Interesting site... thanks!
     
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    Yes, that's a medium format enlarger, and still quite usable.

    The enlarger bulbs are no longer made, so I've converted my enlargers to use flourescent lights, which is fine for black and white.
     
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    Oh wait, that should be usable for 120 film and for other negatives up to 6cm x 11.5cm and even 9cm x 12cm, because it's a 13.5cm lens.

    Zeiss Ikon's "D" cameras (6x11.5) used a 13.5cm lens. I think the 9x12 cameras, such as the Maximar, Miroflex and others, used either a 13.5cm lens or a 15cm lens as the "normal" optic.
     
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    The enlager bulbs are no longer made? So if my bulb breaks, what should i do?
    Anyway it seems to be a normal opaque bulb.
     
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    I have the instruction sheet for Zeiss Ikon's 35mm enlarger -- the Magniphot.

    I believe that the bulb you want is a PH211. You should be able to still buy them. I recall reading that they aren't being made anymore.

    It was very easy to convert the enlarger to fluorescent.
     
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    Oh, i know why, at least here in Europe, they are out of production because they are not environment-friendly. But i heard that there are similiar bulbs with a different technology inside, not with the incandescent filament anymore.
    But if i should convert the enlarger, i just have to remove the old lightning system, put a new one trough the hole, and isolate it from the outgoing light, right?
     
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    The ceramic socket is probably original and should be replaced. The wiring should be replaced too, because 70+-year-old wiring could be dangerous if the insulation has dried and cracked.

    I think they stopped making the bulbs, because demand had dropped. It cost them more to make than what they got in sales (no profit). No profit = no product soon.

    You want the instant-on fluorescent bulbs, not those that take 30 seconds or longer to be fully bright.

    This part is very simple. The fluorescent bulbs generate very little heat. Get a piece of translucent plastic and make a small shroud that will sit inside the enlarger head.

    I'll send you some photos to show you what I did with my Magniphot. It works very well, and I've had no problems with uneven coverage.

    Years ago with an Omega enlarger, I once tried a regular light bulb, and the writing that was on the light bulb was also on my print! I then removed the writing, and then while setting up the enlarger, I could now see the filaments in the light bulb.
     
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    I know that for enlargers must be used only milky-white opaque lamps, for avoiding that. :D
    Anyway, i would be pleased to receive photos of your magniphot, because i guess it's better to change now wire and lamp... and do not wait until i get shocked...