Review - Shanghai GP3 120 black and white film

Review - Shanghai GP3 120 black and white film

  1. quejai

    quejai Member

    Messages:
    6
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2013
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
    quejai submitted a new resource:

    Review - Shanghai GP3 120 black and white film - Review - Shanghai GP3 120 black and white film

    Read more about this resource...
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 6, 2016
  2. fotch

    fotch Member

    Messages:
    4,824
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2005
    Location:
    SE WI- USA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Hello quejai and welcome to APUG. Thanks for posting. Way to much to do or worry about for me to use this film, however, it contributed to my curiosity about this film.
     
  3. amac212

    amac212 Member

    Messages:
    95
    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2008
    Location:
    East Coast,
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Thank you for the thorough review of your experiences with this film! What developer did you use? I've waffled whether to try it out and still hesitate because I don't like 'surprises'. But it seems that you've figured out how to (more than) optimize your output from this film. I absolutely love the 1st image you posted. So, so beautiful!
     
  4. Rick A

    Rick A Subscriber

    Messages:
    7,417
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2009
    Location:
    northern Pa.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Having shot nearly 50 rolls of the stuff myself, I have never experienced the issues you are posting. My only complaints are the curl, and the frame numbers are not easily seen in a red window of my Franka. I have shot it through my Mamiya C series and Yashica Mats(and D) with no issues (other than the curl). You are correct about the junk tape holding the rolls and they are a bugger to open, but all (so far) have tape at the end of the roll (which I never use on any film, opting for a rubber band instead) Processing and printing has been smooth and grain is no issue. I still have another 50+ rolls to shoot from my initial purchase. I just pulled a couple from the freezer to shoot in my Mamiyas.
     
  5. Richard S. (rich815)

    Richard S. (rich815) Subscriber

    Messages:
    4,958
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2003
    Location:
    San Francisco
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
  6. pdeeh

    pdeeh Member

    Messages:
    3,415
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2012
    Location:
    UK
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I use GP3 as my main 120 film.
    I've not experienced any "print through" problems or any "scum" either.
    I get the occasional roll that hasn't been taped properly but it's so cheap I can live with that.
    It does curl like a beeyatch though, which I do find extremely irritating

    In D76 1:1 it's very smooth looking but lacks a bit of sharpness and contrast to my eye
    Lovely in Rodinal 1:50, quite "punchy"
    Caffenol, somewhere between the two (but also I've shot rolls at 80, 100 and 400 then developed in caffenol for the same time and got perfectly acceptable results)

    If you want to shoot a lot of film but don't have much money, I'd recommend it. But I wouldn't use it if my living depended on the pictures I took.
     
  7. quejai

    quejai Member

    Messages:
    6
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2013
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
    Thanks, amac - I used D-76 1:1 at 14mins/20c.
     
  8. quejai

    quejai Member

    Messages:
    6
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2013
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
    A mamiya 6 with the 50mm. Nice shots, by the way!
     
  9. quejai

    quejai Member

    Messages:
    6
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2013
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
    A scan, the result of scanning negatives to a computer. Scams rarely are good for looking at, so I normally don't get confused.
     
  10. Oxleyroad

    Oxleyroad Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,004
    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Location:
    Ex Oz, now USA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I too find the curl irritating, but wanted to advise it is brilliant when used for b&w reversals due to the clear base.
     
  11. gorbas

    gorbas Subscriber

    Messages:
    471
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2007
    Location:
    Vancouver, Canada
    Shooter:
    35mm Pan
    So, how much is average price of this film? Is there any other source than Xbay?
     
  12. Richard S. (rich815)

    Richard S. (rich815) Subscriber

    Messages:
    4,958
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2003
    Location:
    San Francisco
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I loaded up and brought back to the US around 200 rolls a couple years ago from Beijing for about 75 cents a roll. Last time I tried to get more when my father-in-law went back we were told its been discontinued and any found is simply remaining stock. That was about 9 months ago I think. Who knows if its true. Other than eBay or if you go to China not sure where else to find it.
     
  13. Molli

    Molli Subscriber

    Messages:
    627
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2009
    Location:
    Victoria, Australia
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I seem to be the only person who hasn't experienced any of the problems mentioned here or on other photo sites. No curling whatsoever, no backing paper residue or print through and no violently blue dye coming out during development (a complaint mentioned on another thread).
    Overall, I don't mind it at all. I appreciate the time you took to review it, however, and also for posting examples. Thank you to rich815, also, for showing what this film is capable of :smile:
     
  14. Sponsored Ad
  15. Richard S. (rich815)

    Richard S. (rich815) Subscriber

    Messages:
    4,958
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2003
    Location:
    San Francisco
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I do get the curl, and the blue dye, sometimes some minor imperfections and artifacts, and even the numbers showing occasionally (but seemingly only when I use it in my Fuji 645 cameras), but its still a film capable of gorgeous results. Would not use for a paid gig but I pretty much shoot for myself anyway, at least rarely doing paid in advance stuff...
     
  16. ambaker

    ambaker Subscriber

    Messages:
    670
    Joined:
    May 6, 2011
    Location:
    Missouri, US
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Molli,

    What developer are you using? I've heard that some work better than others, for avoiding the curl. I've got 10 rolls waiting to be used here.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
     
  17. flyinfiddlesticks

    flyinfiddlesticks Member

    Messages:
    16
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Location:
    India
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Ah brilliant. This is a timely review for me.
    I have just got myself a mamiya rb system and ordered a first batch of shanghai (along side my fav Delta 100) for those. I shall be following the recommendations closely!

    cheers!
     
  18. RalphLambrecht

    RalphLambrecht Subscriber

    Messages:
    8,210
    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2003
    Location:
    Florida
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    remember, if you choose this today over high-quality ilford or kodak films, this may be the only film you can buy tomorrow. no way!i'm not going to touch it with a 10-foot pole.
     
  19. flyinfiddlesticks

    flyinfiddlesticks Member

    Messages:
    16
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Location:
    India
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Oh no, no. Not over the Ilford's definitely. I love the quality of the Deltas, they show the kind of contrast and detail that I typically love of B&W. :smile:
    However, one always needs something to experiment! Shanghai might very well be it. :wink:
     
  20. pdeeh

    pdeeh Member

    Messages:
    3,415
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2012
    Location:
    UK
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    It seems a little extreme to suggest that we should actively avoid supporting one of the few remaining a film manufacturers.

    One could equally say that not buying Shanghai might lead to the demise of yet another film.
    Alternatively, increased sales might become an incentive to greater QA and QC on their part.

    In the meantime, it is nice to have a choice. And we are not all professional photographers
     
  21. dances_w_clouds

    dances_w_clouds Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,410
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2008
    Location:
    Vancouver B.C.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The part about excessive curling is not evident in the rolls I have used (30ish). What I use is ID-11 @ 1-1 and the water I use here in Vancouver is quite soft so that might what is helping the flatness of the negs. As for the "scum" that is reported I just do a longer than normal with more agitations through the wash. One of great things about it it is a great practice film to use in between my usual Neopan Acros film and I did have several rolls that were printable. And with "free" shipping I always have this film in my freezer.

    1-Shanghai GP3 1-1 ID-11007.jpg
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Feb 3, 2013
  22. jp498

    jp498 Member

    Messages:
    1,467
    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2009
    Location:
    Owls Head ME
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I think it's good to be price conscious, but at least in the US, Acros has been pretty affordable,and Kodak's 120 stuff has recently come down in cost by about 15%. I'm not interested in buying mediocre quality film to save a dollar when it could ruin the results of a once-in-a-lifetime photo. A false economy compared to the gas, camera equipment, etc.. Foma used to be a cheap film, but it's not cheaper now, and it's not as good as kodak/fuji/ilford in terms of quality.
     
  23. dances_w_clouds

    dances_w_clouds Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,410
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2008
    Location:
    Vancouver B.C.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The shipping prices are a VERY big issue here. eg. I can buy a 5x rls of GP-3 with purchase & deliverey for $19.00 OR go with Kodak T-Max 100 (x5) .....for $26.50 with delivery charge (36.25) amounts to $62.75 and if I order more I get a reduced shipping rate.....wgaf. And with local prices wanting even more it is a small wonder that that it sells so well here.
     
  24. ohnostudio

    ohnostudio Member

    Messages:
    2
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Location:
    NY USA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Is there anyone in the USA who stocks this at a decent price? I have looked on and off at a few places and it's always ut of stick. I would prefer a regular vendor as opposed to ebay auctions. I shoot 120.

    Thanks!
     
  25. dubtom

    dubtom Member

    Messages:
    6
    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Location:
    Dublin, Irel
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I have used it quite a bit,actually have some 4x5 on the way. I've never noticed scum on the negs but have had the numbers coming through on a few rolls, I had thought that it was from the use of cheap ink on the paper, I've only noticed it on underexposed rolls.
     
  26. Molli

    Molli Subscriber

    Messages:
    627
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2009
    Location:
    Victoria, Australia
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Apologies for the belated response. This was my first run with both Shanghai films and a Yashica D camera so I just went "by the book", so to speak. D-76 1:1 for 14 minutes at 20c/68f. Agitate for the first 30 seconds, then ten seconds every minute thereafter. Thirty seconds agitated in stop. Around seven minutes in the fix (a couple more than I usually would, but I've already had a few rolls through it). Ten minutes wash using a modified version of the Ilford wash - agitate ten times, dump; agitate 20 times, dump, agitate 30 times, dump. Then a minute or two soaking in Photoflo. I also let the shower run until it fills with steam before hanging my film with two clips at the top of the negative and two weighted ones at the bottom. As mentioned, none of the aforementioned problems whatsoever.

    With regard to those advocating the complete avoidance of any "cheapie" films - for those of us who are just testing the waters, whether switching from digital, coming back to film, trying out a new camera - these films are invaluable. If it weren't for the price of, say, LegacyPro films when I first got back into film a few years ago, I'd have been too paralysed to ever trip the shutter. The availability of Shanghai GP3 120 film gave me a little bit of breathing room, economically, to invest in a medium format camera that I'd never have bought had I only had access to the more expensive films. One of these days I hope to take photos worthy of a better medium but, until then, I choose to commit my atrocities to the cheapest film and paper I can get my hands on.
    There HAS to be a market for the novice, the dabbler, the plain, old flat broke or there won't be a "beginners" level to start in; ergo, no newcomers moving into film photography and taking it to a professional level. Then, also, not everyone wants to take it to that level.