She says 1.4 bohka "is the best". ----

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Equipment' started by vpwphoto, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. vpwphoto

    vpwphoto Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,206
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2011
    Location:
    Indiana
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    My intern showed me photos she made with a 50mm f1.8.... then she says 1.4 bohka "is the best, but I can't afford a 1.4".
     
  2. Klainmeister

    Klainmeister Member

    Messages:
    1,493
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Location:
    Santa Fe, NM
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
    ...wait till she sees 1.2!

    Ugh, I am so sick of bokeh discussions
     
  3. edcculus

    edcculus Member

    Messages:
    272
    Joined:
    May 13, 2012
    Location:
    Greenville S
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    You aren't paying her enough!
     
  4. vpwphoto

    vpwphoto Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,206
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2011
    Location:
    Indiana
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    She thinks I'm lame with using f5.6... meh..
     
  5. heterolysis

    heterolysis Member

    Messages:
    176
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2012
    Location:
    Hamilton
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I thought it was pretty cool when I first got a f1.8 lens. Then I soon realized that what I thought was in focus in my viewfinder wasn't always as in focus on the negative... and that you start taking pictures that are mostly bokeh, which is somewhat silly. It was then clear why all of my Zeiss lenses maxed out at f2.8 or f4...
     
  6. E. von Hoegh

    E. von Hoegh Member

    Messages:
    3,879
    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2011
    Location:
    Adirondacks
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Sounds like she needs a Holga.

    Or maybe I'll design and build a special lens, I have a lot of glass blanks made by Anchor Hocking.
     
  7. jnanian

    jnanian Advertiser

    Messages:
    19,313
    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Location:
    local
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    hopefully she doesn't have a leica, or a nocktahlux might have been in her future !
     
  8. Klainmeister

    Klainmeister Member

    Messages:
    1,493
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2010
    Location:
    Santa Fe, NM
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
    Or how about the Canon 0.95!
     
  9. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Remind her that fast lenses (for 35mm) were originally developed to allow more light in when there was little, without resorting to loooong exposures, especially handheld. It is only recently, after Leica figured out that there was a huge market in catering to fools who believe that a lens should ALWAYS be used WIDE OPEN, even in the middle of the day, just because it looks cool with all that "bokeh" and 3D pop (God I hate that term), even though the resulting images are usually total shit, that fast lenses have been selling like hot cakes.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 21, 2013
  10. Ed Bray

    Ed Bray Member

    Messages:
    348
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2011
    Location:
    Plymouth, UK
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    This was shot at f16, you don't always need fast lenses to get Bokeh this is a straight copy of the negative.

    [​IMG]
    Lucus 2nd 5x7 by Ed Bray, on Flickr
     
  11. vpwphoto

    vpwphoto Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,206
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2011
    Location:
    Indiana
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    She's a Canon 5d shooter... her dad must have bought it for her so she could be a photographer.
     
  12. cliveh

    cliveh Subscriber

    Messages:
    4,537
    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2010
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Max, with due respect I don't believe that most Leica users (me included) shoot at full aperture, or that Leitz took this into consideration within their marketing plans.
     
  13. benjiboy

    benjiboy Subscriber

    Messages:
    8,120
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2005
    Location:
    U.K.
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    +1
     
  14. Sponsored Ad
  15. MattKing

    MattKing Subscriber

    Messages:
    15,194
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2005
    Location:
    BC, Canada
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    At least she isn't asking: "Can we fix it in post?"
     
  16. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Clive, then you must be out of touch :smile: I am obviously not referring to you, or myself for that matter, but most digital shooters, (which make up the vast majority of Leica buyers these days) buy fast lenses to shoot them wide open all the time. If you care to check most sharing sites, you will see what I mean. I'm telling you, it's epidemic :smile:

    Just ask ANYONE who owns the new Noctilux .95 ($11,000) and ask them why they bought it. I bet you the $11,000 that the answer is not because they can't shoot at ungodly speeds when there is no light, but because they like to put a ND10 in front of it and shoot it at high noon in full sun at .95 to get that "bokah" :smile:
     
  17. jnanian

    jnanian Advertiser

    Messages:
    19,313
    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2003
    Location:
    local
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    LOL
    just go to flickr and search welder's goggles filter :wink:

    but the bookqua is so nice at .95!
     
  18. cliveh

    cliveh Subscriber

    Messages:
    4,537
    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2010
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Max, you could be correct, as I did not think about digital shooters. I am still finding it difficult to equate digital technology in relation to Leica which is a camera system that goes back so many years.
     
  19. LiamG

    LiamG Member

    Messages:
    115
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2012
    Location:
    St. Paul, MN
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Unbelivers- the best bohkens can only be achieved by becoming one with the zero, with the asymptotic lens, the F/0. Believe.
     
  20. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Clive,

    Trust me, I have the same issue. The reality is that for Leica to survive in this brave new world, they have to play the game very differently. Having said that, I've fallen for the same fast lens gimmicks a few years back, but I am happy to say that I have grown a bit as a photographer. I think many go through it, and eventually realize that aperture should be at the service of the image, vision and mostly about necessity (for 35mm anyway).
     
  21. MaximusM3

    MaximusM3 Member

    Messages:
    756
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Location:
    NY
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Yeah! :smile:
     
  22. Newt_on_Swings

    Newt_on_Swings Member

    Messages:
    2,112
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Location:
    NYC
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Max aperture all the way, all the time folks are interesting breed... Its really odd to see their group photos of people, where only one or two are in focus and the rest out of focus because they are on a different focus plane just a foot behind or in front of the others that are in focus, or the use of crazy shutter speeds like 1/4000 of a second outdoors in every shot so they can use that aperture. I wish they would realize that they dont need to spend all that dough and just use a lens of a longer focal length to get some of that bokeh they want.
     
  23. cjbecker

    cjbecker Member

    Messages:
    797
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2010
    Location:
    IN
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    The only reason to have a fast lens is to let more light in. At least that's the way I see it. I must be a different breed as I'm 22
     
  24. Helinophoto

    Helinophoto Member

    Messages:
    610
    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2011
    Location:
    Norway
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    You should explain that she is confusing the terms.
    "Bokeh" (not 'Bohka' btw), refers to the quality of out of focus objects and highlights.

    What I think she means, is "DOF", and that she prefer very narrow depth of field.

    Although, if she is indeed a Canon-shooter, the two 50's cannot be shot wide-open really, as they (at least the f1.4) become both soft and rather strange at those apertures (halo-effects on in-focus objects and also on objects that are out of focus).

    Nothing wrong with playing with narrow depth of field (or even tilt-shift lenses with narrow depth of field as well), this is a creative decision.
    - Who decided that you have to shoot at f22 to be a "proper photographer"?

    I use whatever aperture that suit the situation, but for people in an environment, narrow depth of field can be really nice, you can even use the shapes in the "Bokeh" to add to your composition, as well as eliminate distracting elements in the background more effectively.

    I think you are all a bit patronizing here, why does she deserve to be laughed of, just because she got a creative preference and confuse the terms a bit?
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 22, 2013
  25. Jammoh

    Jammoh Member

    Messages:
    13
    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2010
    Location:
    Berlin, Germ
    Shooter:
    4x5 Format
    Shooting wide open, blurred backgrounds with main subjects often out of focus, etc., has long encroached beyond the realm of still photography, at least here in Germany.

    As a DOP myself, I sometimes have discussions with directors about that "look" that has become so trendy amongst the younger generation of camera persons with gadgets like the 5d with fast lenses, who say things to me like "it does not matter if even the main subject is sometimes out of focus, it adds to the aesthetics of THAT look"!!

    Of course it looks different, I can even understand the allure of Bokeh, but there has to be a balance between "look" and content. It has to make sense.
     
  26. Felinik

    Felinik Member

    Messages:
    428
    Joined:
    May 13, 2012
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I think it's cute, good that you have observed her odd presumptions and can help her to better knowing..

    :smile: