Being kind of a 4x5 guy I've never started even looking at 8x10s seriously until now - conversion kits for 8x10 seem to be around at a pretty good price, as do whole 8x10 P cameras I've seen on ebay... but looking closely at the whole ones available - they all seem to be converted - and from what I can tell - it seems like there's precious little front rise available on them (!!) as a result. Does anyone here have any experience with this issue? Based on my experience with the Sinar system, it seems that a zeroed out sinar 8x10 should be at mid travel on both front and rear rise controls (??) - any hints?