small 270-300mm lens.

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  1. darinwc

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    Hello all. It's been a while since ive done any LF but i am planning to get back into it now that it is cooler.

    I am looking for a small lens for the long end of my Shen-Hao HCX-iia.
    It just barely extends to 360mm so I was hoping for a 300mm or something slightly shorter like 270mm.
    It seems like most of these are made for 8x10 cameras so they are big. I cannot find much info for small, light lenses in this range.
    What do you suggest?
     
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    There were some very compact lenses made by Fuji and Nikkor. Then there are the original Dagor-type Symmars, the Goerz Dagors, and the f:6.3 Tessars. All will be much smaller and lighter than a modern Plasmat type.
     
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    The 300mm f9 Nikon M is a nice lens, however any 5x4 camear with the necessary bellows extension tends to be prone to instability in terms of vibration/image sharpness. This is why many prefer to use a 270mm Tele lens.

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    The Docter Apo-Germinar 9/300 in Copal 1 is a little smaller and lighter than the Nikkor-M, but uncommon. There was one for sale recently on the Large Format Forum, I don't recall offhand if it's sold.

    There's the 9/270 G-Claron, though you might have better luck finding hens' teeth. And a 270mm Computar or Kowa-Graphic, more like dinosaur teeth.

    Fuji made two 250s. The f/6.7, with a 398mm image circle, is complete overkill for 4x5. The newer f/6.3 came in two versions, both of which cover a bit more than the minimum for 8x10. I don't know about their weight, all three came in Copal 1 shutters. But then 250 is might close to 240, and you've probably already got one of those.

    And Ian raises a very good point about stability...
     
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    If you are considering a tele, I can suggest the Fujinon 300 tele. I use one with my Toyo 45A with no problems. It is relatively small and light weight.

    http://www.jeffreyglasser.com/
     
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    270mm f9 Schneider G-Claron is superb and in Copal 1 shutter. The early version "Dagor type" is the equivalent of a Gold Dot Dagor, except f9. They are hard to find. Later version is a plasmat, and also very nice, but bigger. Both would be Copal 1, but the Dagor type was a 55mm filter iirc and the plasmat would be 62. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

    Another really superb lens, but even harder to find is the Red Dot Artar 10 3/4" in Compur shutter.
     
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    Jim, according to some PDFs I got from the Schneider site the 270mm Dagor version takes 49mm filters and the Plasmat takes 58mm filters.
     
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    Sounds like a 270mm lens may be hard to find..
    So it looks like a 300mm is my best bet. Are there any problems with using extension lensboards?
     
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    Yep, that sounds right.
     
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    What about a 240?
     
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    I already have a(some) 210(s).. 240 is too close to 210.
     
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    I've a 250mm Carl Meyer that's cheap and small and pretty. In Alphax 3 which is tiny bit bulkier than a Copal 1
     
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    Did kodak make a 300mm f7.7 dialyte lens like their 203mm Ektar?
    What shutter does the Commercial Ektar f6.3 300mm use?
     
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    Nope

    Ilex 4 which is very close in physical size to a Copal 3
     
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    The smallest one in my database is the Fujinon C 300/8.5, weighing only 250g.

    It has a gigantic 380mm IC, but takes tiny 52mm filters. Overall length is 44.9mm, in a Copal #1 shutter.

    - Leigh
     
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    Anything that fits in a copal 1 shutter will be perfect.
    An Ilex 3 would be fine as well.
    So far I have listed:
    Nikkor M 300mm f/9
    Fujinon C 300mm f/8.5
    Schneider G-claron 305mm f/9
    Goerz Artar 12" f/9 (?) is sometimes in a Ilex 3.

    -OK, I will keep an eye out for these.


    300mm Dagor - no
    300mm Commercial Ektar - no