Some speculation surrounding Kodak (nothing firm)

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  1. IloveTLRs

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    http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s1875306.shtml

    Not a very positive article, I'm afriad :sad: (and not a great way to start the weekend, either.)

    In a nutshell, there's been lots of activity with Kodak's stock and someone? thinks Kodak might sell its film business.

    What are peoples thoughts on this? Does it have a bit of a barnyard aroma to it?
     
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    Maybe somebody who knows what to do with the division will get a hold of it, and it could be better for us. Or someone could get it and tank it even faster than it is going now. I am torn. My opinion would depend on who the buyer is.
     
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    As long as there is Tri X I'm good.
     
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    I would welcome their selling their film division, because they are clearly not very invested in it themselves. No one will buy just the film division without plans or at least the desire, to make a go of it. Selling the company in its entirety does scare me, it reminds me of what happened to Polaroid, and that was very ugly.

    There are lots of possible outcomes and many of them poor, but it does not look like there is much hope that Kodak will try to figure out how to survive as a boutique analog photo company while a buyer might actually be interested in trying.
     
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    Agree, and also the porta films. I would love to see Ilford purchase this and keep it going.
     
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    Haha, that was my first thought :laugh:

    Ilford buying it - that would essentially guarantee us film forever
     
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    What Kodak still sells film? I wouldn't know as I haven't used there stuff for decades.
     
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    Think you're all whistling in the dark. Film consumers are not their priority, as should be evident by now.
     
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    It's obvious that they are going to offload/rationalise the film and chem division - just as I get to use and like x-tol it will be sold and discontinued!!!

    Ha!
    Sim2.
     
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    Even if it's sold off, the bulk of the business would still be serving Hollywood, and not us. If it means the whole film/entertainment group, we'd still be bottom of the totem pole.
     
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    I wouldn't count on that. The FTC would probably consider it a monopoly and forbid it. From a regulator's point of view it is better that both companies starve and leave us no choice than that one company leave us one choice.
     
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    This is the 3rd thread about this issue.


    Moderators, please merge.
     
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    I thought their film business was neglected but still profitable? Especially their motion picture films for archiving? Selling of the film business would leave kodak with a bunch of unprofitable products in a field with high R&D costs. Sounds like their ruination.
     
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    There is nothing illegal about being stupid.
     
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    Their financial reports have repeatedly shown film carrying digital.
    I think that's called 'milk it, baby!'
     
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    Well, the reasoning for them woild be to spin off the industry while it was still profitable (i.e. so someone would buy it). Perez still thinks that turning Kodak into HP is the best idea, and until he's kicked out, nothing good can happen with the business of film.
     
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    As long as HP5 stays I'm good :D that is, after I've bitten the bullet and started using My-Tol...
     
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    Don't use any Kodak products these days, so as long as Ilford is here and producing the HP5 I realy don't much care about what Kodak does, they ost the plot and my business a long time ago,Richard
     
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    Agilent instruments are just as good as their HP predecessors. But the market share and brand stature are not there.

    Anyone who couldn't learn from AT&T abysmal attempt to become a computer company a few decades ago deserves the rebuke the market will provide.
     
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    No longer true, I'm afraid.

    Last quarter film barely broken even. The cinematic film division is now seeing plunging sales due to 3-D and raw material prices that were skyrocketing. Neither of these problems is likely to improve.

    Income from licensing fees (e.g. OLED patents) is carrying Kodak at the moment.
     
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    I don't think the FDC would really care about this one way or another. It's a niche market and while it is a market that is dear to us, it is not going to affect the lives of most. It won't even be a blip.

    It's wishful thinking that Ilford would buy Kodak's film division. Kodak's production infrastructure is now far too large (again) and Ilford itself has too much capacity.

    From Ilford's point-of-view it would be best that EK's pictorial film division shut down operations entirely.
     
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    No one is going to buy just the film division to shut it down.


    Steve.
     
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    We saw that in Germany not that long ago.
    (Or at least something that looks that way...)
     
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    Stock prices are the same with film prices , film prices are going higher , stock prices are going lower.
    What is the best investment ? I think They must make a film fresh until 2030.
     
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