StreetPan400 JCH

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by nolanr66, Dec 26, 2016.

  1. Gerald C Koch

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    You're right it certainly is a possibility. I would load the film under subdued light just in case.
     
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    It's a "real deal." If you buy 10 rolls you get a free bucket of fried chicken. :smile:
     
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    I will take that last bizarre comment as I am not welcome here and move on. Good luck to you all and enjoy your forum and photography.
     
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    Or you could take it as a statement that you are welcome here, but in one particular case you happened to use a phrase that some people find funny or irritating.
    I appreciate the thread, and your enthusiasm. I've seen reference to the film before, and share some of the concerns of others, but I encourage anyone who is interested in it to try it. All indications are that Bellamy Hunt is "the real deal", in that he is an enthusiast who seems generally interested in the future of film photography.
     
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    I was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings over an expression. I was merely struck by the similarity to "the real meal deal" ad. Perhaps with further reading the poster will realize that we are fond of puns and jokes here APUG.
     
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    I just ordered the 3 roll minimum. Couldn't stop myself.

    Neal Wydra
     
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    Please don't go.

    You are most certainly welcome here. One unfortunate by-product of the internet age is that the medium we use to communicate can't always accurately convey our intentions when we comment. An innocent joke might seem like an insult when it's not.

    Please, shoot the Streetpan and post some shots here. I've read a lot about it and am curious to hear what you think.
     
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    You guys keep this BS UP you'll be the only ones here talking to yourselves ...while your nurses change your bedpan
    Apug is not the only place photography exists
    I tried to calm down one poster here and all he did was give the ol' "I'm a bitch I'll do whatever I please"...all the while trying to explain it is not the way to welcome newbies
    Now you're all crying....???
    WHERE ARE THE MONITORS ??
     
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    I share your frustration!

    I hope the OP returns and users of JCH 400 use this thread. It'd be great to share results.
     
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    Aviphot Pan 400S from Agfa? JCH wording is very similar to the Agfa's notice... You can already find it under the Rollei brand.
     
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    Ah! We have the vice squad here. Is this your positive contribution to the thread? I was a bit sarcastic with the OP but at least I try to clarify the thread (see my last post). What about you?
     
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    Well I hopped onto the train, hit the city finishing off a roll of Neopan 1600 (I still have another 30m tin in the refrigerator :D).

    I was going to run a roll of Lucky film side by side, but I didn't have time to spare as I had a fair distance to walk and I thought that the NP1600 being a very high contrast film should give me a bit of an idea of the contrast differences.

    I found the Melbourne address, walked up and purchased three rolls. Not that I needed three rolls, but I figure that if the first roll didn't come out well enough, I could have a second go, or a third go at the most.

    The packaging is interesting, the external instructions have ISO 400/20º I would suggest this may just be a keeper packaging for posterity. Nothing like a mistake to bring out the collectors. I think it should read. ISO 400/27º. Not that I'm complaining as it has 400 in 15mm high letters plastered all over it.

    As an aside, the place that I picked this film up from, was full of quite young people who seem to be desperately trying to figure out how to shoot film and getting the knowledge to do so in a very haphazard manner. I do feel for them, the misinformation they seemed to be gathering and sharing, sounded worse than when I was reading monthly magazines in the very late fifties and only half understanding the included information.

    Anyway, back to the film. I loaded the camera inside, as I was aware there could be some piping effect due to the clear film base, which is polyester and 0.10mm thick.

    I rated the film at 320 ASA and shot accordingly, more or less as I have been doing for many years with Neopan 400, of which I still have about 100 rolls. :whistling:

    Conditions were brilliant sunlight and deep shadows on a heat blasted summer day, 38ºC ambient. I started shooting at 1315h literally 10 steps from the front door of where I purchased the film. Frame 1 with two people walking on the footpath in front of it. I walked a city block or two, then picked a multi-story building in full sunlight. Frame 2 a portrait of a building with a tram car rooftop at the bottom of the image.

    Frame 25 was taken especially to see if I could see if there was an anti-halation layer or not. This is a stainless steel seat in direct sunlight with some people sitting on the seat (with obviously numb backsides as those seats were very hot) and some people crossing the pedestrian mall in backlit conditions with a very dark background to show up the lack of an anti-halation layer, if in fact there wasn't one that is.
    My take on an anti-halation layer, is that this film does have an anti-halation layer, otherwise those people would have little fringe highlights around the bright parts of their heads, sort of like a halo.

    Comments on that are welcome.

    I have also included a terrible phone picture of the leader and the first 5 frames. I know it is terrible, the yellow lines are the strobing effect of my darkroom light box fluorescent lamps. The cut off leader is being held down with a pen to stop it curling, then immediately you can see the first five frames. Note the piping on the first bit of unexposed film and of course the sprocket holes. By frame 6 the piping effect had dissapeared. Not a serious issue, but one that should be taken into consideration.

    Piping is where light enters the unexposed film via the film leader that sticks out of the canister. The light travels along the film in a pipe like manner, hence the terminology. Piping was a serious problem with Kodak IR film, that film needed to be loaded into the camera in total darkness, otherwise you ended up with a film that had effects like you see on the film sprockets in this image, but right through the film and usually about half of the roll was effected so badly nothing could be used. I would suggest one should load and unload this film in quite subdued light, I did and I had this effect. I shudder to think of what it would be like in full sunlight.

    All in all, I think this is a seriously good film. I will not jump out and purchase bucket loads of it, I have quite a fair bit of 35mm stuff to get through. Looking under a loupe, the frames are pretty much grain free, and this is from film, that to me, has been under exposed a bit. My next roll will be exposed at 250 ASA and I should be on the money, I'll see.

    The inside of the box gave directions for processing for 16'30" at 20ºC. Due to the very hot water coming out of the tap in my darkroom, I developed in D76 1+1 for 13'30" at 22.2ºC in a Jobo rotary processor. I think the development times as given, give a good negative. I know from experience, that dropping the ASA down to 250 will probably have me very much on the mark for printable negatives in my darkroom.

    Mick.


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    I forgot to add, the film is so easy to handle in the dark, that the film almost loaded itself onto the reel, I literally loaded the film onto the reel in about 12 seconds, give or take.

    The ease of loading is probably due to the polyester base.

    Mick.
     
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    Mick... Notwithstanding the "dramatics" you followed through! Thank you for your input toward the added knowledge base pertaining to this film and its use. Fred
     
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    Yes, thanks for doing that.
     
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    Nice write up - thanks.
     
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    Thanks Mick - a great write-up.
    I'm left wondering though. Has anyone tried this stuff in soft light, looking for fine gradations of tone (like a portrait of a child)?
     
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    Have you read all the posts besides the purple prose of the article? This is a high contrast surveillance film designed to get ANY sort of image regardless of quality. Probably fine for low contrast situations such as overcast days. But it may be a problem under other conditions. If you check the price somewhere around $12 US it is certainly not cheap.
     
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    Both true.
     
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    I get you didnt get your free bucket of fried chicken did you? sorry couldn't help. I think will order on the next Bellamy batch. Still well stockec on 400 film but definetly will get some to try.

    This definetly got my attention. Not sure why, but recently been having some problems while loading HP5+ on my steel reels. Will try and see when I get some.

    Regards.

    Marcelo
     
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    While a polyester base can made reel loading easier it is not the only solution. For example Eastman Double-X is on an acetate base and because it is a bit thicker loads easily too. So it is the stiffness of the base that is important and not its composition.
     
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    id love to give it a try but its deff a pricey bw film
     
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    could it be made for hipsters.. ?
     
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