subtractive color using color filters: Does the order matter?

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  1. David Lyga

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    I think he said this (decades ago), but I could be mistaken: Arthur Rothstein (Popular Photography) said that the ORDER that you place the color filters in the drawer can matter as far as hue and contrast go. If this is even slightly true, is there a theoretical underpinning for this warning? - David Lyga
     
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    David;

    I would think that this is a myth started by the fact that the old 3 color printing (Dye Transfer, Carbro and etc) had a specific order that the transfers were laid down, but in modern 3 color films and papers, this is not true.

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    Amazing how old methods somehow 'translate' into newer technology. The caveat didn't smell good and thank you for the definitiveness, PE. - David Lyga
     
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    there is a order at printing presses and their cmyk dye transfer proof systems. I made hundreds of 70x100 dye transfer proofs and if I remember correctly first color is the darkest and goes to lightest in printing order.
     
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    There may be a distinct difference between transparent and reflective media ...
     
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    With assembly processes which are sequentially manually layered up, one naturally needs to have the most opaque color at the bottom and the most transparent on top. Sometimes this has an odd effect where a physical relief is apparent, as in color carbon prints, where normally receding pigment hues end up on top, but the warm hues sink in the recesses, due to the gelatin sandwich being flipped onto a final substrate.
    But these kinds of prints are made from separation negatives and tricolor additive filters. This all would be meaningless in a filter drawer containing subtractive filters for ordinary color papers.
     
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    Guys, please see my post #2 above. Layer order is only a problem with "assembly" or "transfer" processes and not with dye development or dye bleach processes.

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