Suppliers of VERY cheap 35mm color E6 and ECN2 negative film.

Discussion in 'Color: Film, Paper, and Chemistry' started by Emulsion, Jun 6, 2009.

  1. Emulsion

    Emulsion Member

    Messages:
    127
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2007
    Location:
    Australia
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
    Suppliers of 35mm Short Ends and Recans.
    I have no association with any of these companies.

    Most of the film is very inexpensive negative film that is processed using the ECN2 process.

    Some E6 film (#5285) is available as well! At only 15c/ft (Film emporium is one of the few that quote prices online, others usually require an e-mail. http://www.tapesuperstore.com/kodak35mmfilm2.html).

    Australia:
    Sound and Vision Stock Shop
    http://www.steadisystems.com/

    Canada:
    Certified Film
    http://certifiedfilm.com/

    Stock Options
    http://www.stockoptionscorp.com/

    Germany:
    Film X change
    http://www.filmxchange.de/?pid=27

    USA:
    Film Emporium
    http://www.tapesuperstore.com/kodak35mmfilm2.html

    Raw-Stock
    http://www.raw-stock.com/recans.html

    Film Source LA
    http://www.releasing.net/rawstock/
     
  2. BetterSense

    BetterSense Member

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Location:
    North Caroli
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Is there any problem using this as still film? I thought motion film had some kind of backing on it? I mean, at Film Emporium I can buy 100ft or about 18 rolls of Ektachrome for $15. There must be a catch here.
     
  3. tiberiustibz

    tiberiustibz Member

    Messages:
    1,749
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Location:
    Tufts Univer
    Shooter:
    35mm
    ECN-2 film requires the ECN-2 process and it does have a backing. I don't believe the ektachrome reversal films do though. They do have different shaped sprocket holes but they should work in still cameras.
     
  4. BetterSense

    BetterSense Member

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Location:
    North Caroli
    Shooter:
    35mm
    If the ektachrome doesn't have weird backing, I'm buying some. Heck for $15 it's almost worth buying 100ft to find out.

    I would have to bulk-load it though. Bulk loading B&W isn't a problem because I process it myself, but since I have to send E-6 out through the mail for processing, I'm not sure what I'd do for cartridges. My usual reloaded mini-lab cartridges probably wouldn't be popular with Dwaynes, both because they would be labeled as C-41 and because the DX coding would probably be wrong, not to mention it would be taped to the spool with masking tape. If I bought commercial reload-able cartridges, would Dwayne's send them back with the film?
     
  5. BrianShaw

    BrianShaw Member

    Messages:
    6,710
    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Location:
    Los Angeles,
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    I've used these film shorts in the long, long-ago past with decent success. But I seem to recall that it was only processable using specialized process/machinery. Does this fact from the Kodak FAQ indicate that there might be a problem having the 5285 processed in a "normal" E-6 machine?

    Q: How do I process this stock? Where do I process this stock?

    A: This stock is intended for process in E6 chemistry - cine machines only. The cine machines are the only ones fast enough to process this film with any speed and efficiency (>10 feet/min). With large tanks, they are also the most stable and consistent of all the E6 processors, performing to the same uniformity specifications as most ECN or ECP machines. Other, slower machines may be found around the country, but caution is advised when dealing with these less robust systems. Please find a list of professional labs recommended for use with this film here.
     
  6. BetterSense

    BetterSense Member

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Location:
    North Caroli
    Shooter:
    35mm
    If you ask me, E6 should be E6. It sounds to me like they are saying that processing hundreds of feet of motion film in small labs equipped for still film could cause consistency problems, but they don't say anything about it having a backing or anything.
     
  7. BrianShaw

    BrianShaw Member

    Messages:
    6,710
    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Location:
    Los Angeles,
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    They do mention odd, but allegedly harmless, discoloration of the processing chemistry. Could this be the backing they didn't overtly mention?
     
  8. tiberiustibz

    tiberiustibz Member

    Messages:
    1,749
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Location:
    Tufts Univer
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I've worked with the anti-halation backing. This ruins chemistry if it's run though it unintentionally. It's dark black carbon like and will embed itself in the emulsion permanantly if given the oppurtunity. It's not part of that film.

    The reason it says that is because when you're a cinematographer and you've shot 4000 feet of film, dip and dunk machines are less practical.
     
  9. Emulsion

    Emulsion Member

    Messages:
    127
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2007
    Location:
    Australia
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
  10. mabman

    mabman Member

    Messages:
    829
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    Location:
    Winnipeg, MB
    Shooter:
    35mm
    A couple of years ago I bought some short ends of 5222 and 5231 (Double-X and Plus-X respectively) from Certified Films in Toronto, and the person I dealt with was prompt and effecient. If I ever get around to actually shooting them, I'd definitely consider buying from them again. The prices are definitely right, and being in Canada saves me a whole lot of customs and shipping hassle.
     
  11. geoferrell

    geoferrell Member

    Messages:
    81
    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2008
    Location:
    McKee, KY 40
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Can you send to photofinishers like Dwayne's or Wal-Mart as E-6 and get processing? And, what about the black and white, does that take C-41 processing?
     
  12. Emulsion

    Emulsion Member

    Messages:
    127
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2007
    Location:
    Australia
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF
    The Motion Picture Film B&W (Plus-x and Double-x) doesn't use C-41 it uses a B&W developer. Professional labs may offer this service.

    ECN2 film can't be processed at a C-41 lab as it has a carbon backing which will contaminate the processor.

    Emulsion


     
  13. stefan4u

    stefan4u Member

    Messages:
    165
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2006
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Ektachrome 5285

    This concerns the Ektachrome 5285

    The processing in E-6 cine type developing machines is mandatory for longer strips only. If processing a long roll of several 100 feet’s in a minilab style, roller transport developing machine, it could (will) give problems with proper transport. Some rollers may have swollen a bit more than others did, and a degree of tension (or slackening tension) will lead to transport problems, scratches, crinkles or even ripped film. Cine type developing machine can compensate fluctuations of tension, due very different design of the racks much better.

    For the usual 135mm 36exp. film length, there should be everything fine in minilab E-6 or home processing. These small variances in transport will not lead to problems under normal circumstances, the film is simply too short. Larger labs do (at least they did it in the past) use(d) these cine type machines anyway…

    Regards from Germany,
    Stefan
     
  14. Sponsored Ad
  15. nworth

    nworth Subscriber

    Messages:
    2,192
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2005
    Location:
    Los Alamos,
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Note that Eastman 5285 calls for Process VNF-1, not E-6. E-6 will probably work, giving a bit higher contrast and maybe slightly off colors. I've processed earlier films designed for ME-2 in E-2 and ME-4 in E-4 with satisfactory, but not excellent, results.
     
  16. BetterSense

    BetterSense Member

    Messages:
    3,126
    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Location:
    North Caroli
    Shooter:
    35mm
    It's strange...I went back and looked, and it's true that they never call it a E-6 film...just "Ektachrome 100D color reversal". I was all set to order some too. I guess I could buy some and try it, but if it doesn't work, it's hardly any money savings.
     
  17. Fredrik Sandstrom

    Fredrik Sandstrom Member

    Messages:
    92
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2008
    Location:
    Finland
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
  18. shootpositive

    shootpositive Member

    Messages:
    16
    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2009
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I'll definitely have to get some if it's been decided it will work fine for E-6

    I use a Jobo CPE-2 with the Kodak 5L E-6 kit, and I'm addicted to Ektachrome!

    I wonder if you order 100', they would send you a 100' roll that could be slipped right into my bulk loader... I'm probably dreaming
     
  19. Matt5791

    Matt5791 Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,003
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2005
    Location:
    England, Bir
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The 100' spools for 16mm are daylight type, metal with a square centre hole. Dont know about 35mm - didnt think 35mm MP film was offered in 100ft lengths now?

    It's definitely the same process.

    Kodak offer 64T in super8 cartridges, and this is processed the same as 100D. It's all E6.
     
  20. mabman

    mabman Member

    Messages:
    829
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    Location:
    Winnipeg, MB
    Shooter:
    35mm
    When I ordered a while back from Certified, I asked about 100' spools and was told they could load 100' lengths of short ends in an "eyemo" cartridge for a small additional fee. I think I posted here about that - turns out "eyemo" is some sort of small MP camera, commonly used as near-disposable "crash cameras" - not especially useful for bulk loading for still cameras as far as I can tell. I believe the standard 35mm full can is 400'. Unless otherwise specified, it's my understanding normally the various lengths of short ends come in the same (regular) can, taped shut (the can of short ends will obviously be less than 400', and therefore not completely full) - at least my short ends arrived that way.
     
  21. Matt5791

    Matt5791 Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,003
    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2005
    Location:
    England, Bir
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    You wouldn't want to destroy an Eymo - they take 100ft loads though.

    They were made by Bell & Howell and are a wind up camera (sister to the Filmo 16mm and 8mm cameras) Often cinematographers prize these cameras because they are so compact, and can be extremely handy and can get them out of trouble for a difficult shot.

    If you can persuade someone to part with one you are probably looking at paying $/£1000.

    Don't know how available the reels are though - difficult I would have thought.
     
  22. Karl_CTPhoto

    Karl_CTPhoto Member

    Messages:
    39
    Joined:
    May 14, 2009
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    There's a lot of misinformation and speculation on here, so let me put forth a definitive answer:

    5285, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERF. SIZES THAT WORK PERFECTLY FINE ON ALMOST ALL 35MM SLRS, IS PHYSICALLY IDENTICAL TO E100VS; IT DOES NOT HAVE, NOR WILL IT EVER HAVE, ANY SORT OF REM-JET BACKING.

    I hope that answers everyone's questions. Shoot away if you can get a roll for 75¢ U.S.
     
  23. Karl_CTPhoto

    Karl_CTPhoto Member

    Messages:
    39
    Joined:
    May 14, 2009
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    No. 5285 was always E6. It is identical to E100VS.

    5240, -39, -50, -51, and -399 were the VNF-1 process films.
     
  24. yukio

    yukio Member

    Messages:
    1
    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2008
    Shooter:
    Med. Format RF

    Hi All,

    This thread helped in my search for cheap color bulk film and so I thought I'd share what I've found.

    I tried to order 100' of 5285 from film emporium, but they were out and put me on a list to be notified when they receive some more.

    I contacted filmsourcela.com by email and they said they would check to see if they had any and get back to me. They didn't mail me back.

    I wasn't very hopeful when I emailed www.releasing.net and asked if they could send me 100' rolls of 5285. I received a response from Vic and he replied that he would check to see if he could find any. He mailed back the next day to inform me that he could get some. Great. But since he deals in very long lengths of film (in relation to still photography lengths), he agreed to wind the stock into 100' lengths on 1" cores if I bought 400' at a time. He charges $0.50 per foot, which is alot more than the $.015/foot that is quoted at film emporium, but it is still less than half the price of the 100' rolls of Ektachrome at b&h/adorama.

    This fit nicely into my bulk loader after I placed an old core from a "real" 100' bulk roll into the center of the cine core, the center of which measures about 1".

    Vic said that he could also get 5222 and 7239 (160T reversal), but I didn't get a quote.

    It took about 15 emails to get across what I was trying to do - I think mine was the first request for 100' lengths he's ever received, so he was a little confused at first. So if you give this a try, feel free to mention my name (David) so he knows what you're after.

    5285 develops in E6 chemistry. The attached example is from the first test roll, self processed.

    Hope this is helpful!

    Dave
     

    Attached Files:

  25. Ektagraphic

    Ektagraphic Member

    Messages:
    2,914
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2009
    Location:
    Southeastern
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    You can get cheap ECN-2 from Dale Lab (www.dalelabs.com). They sell Dale brand film that is ECN-2.
     
  26. Photo Engineer

    Photo Engineer Subscriber

    Messages:
    25,899
    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Location:
    Rochester, NY
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Remember that ECN films are low contrast and generally don't print well with normal color print materials.

    PE