Techniscope 2.66 Aspect Ratio , Any 35mm camera ?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras and Accessories' started by Mustafa Umut Sarac, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. Mustafa Umut Sarac

    Mustafa Umut Sarac Member

    Messages:
    4,574
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2006
    Location:
    İstanbul
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    I love Spagetti Westerns when Dirty Harry appears on the final streched tight and long on the screen . Our friend btaylor wrote they were taken on 35mm film with 2.66 ratio , 2 perf and enlarged 4 perf with optics. I want to buy a cheap 35mm camera which its viewfinder and mechanism special for that format.
    I will strech it with computer. What is the aspect ratio of cheap anamorph p&s cameras ?

    Umut
     
  2. MDR

    MDR Member

    Messages:
    1,411
    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Location:
    Austria
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Mustafa a small correction Techniscope has an aspect ratio of 2.66 at the shooting Stage but was projected at the classic 2.35:1 Aspect Ratio.
    And do you mean a 35mm Still camera or Motion Picture if the latter get either an Eclair Cameflex and try to find the Techniscope kit for it or an Arri 35-II(A-C) and again try to find a techniscope kit for it.
     
  3. MDR

    MDR Member

    Messages:
    1,411
    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Location:
    Austria
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The Lomokino is the cheapest way to get the desired Aspect Ratio of 2.66:1 you only have to mask the Lomokino down from it's native 2.8:1 to 2.66:1
     
  4. Mustafa Umut Sarac

    Mustafa Umut Sarac Member

    Messages:
    4,574
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2006
    Location:
    İstanbul
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Hello,

    I dont have any ability to buy a arri , I am looking for photograph camera MDR. Cheapest and good lens one. I dont have money for 21mm nikon and fg. May be some crazy investors build something for me. By the way , I dont know the aspect ratio of cheap panorama cameras , may be they suit but I dont know their specs.

    Thank you,
    Umut
     
  5. MDR

    MDR Member

    Messages:
    1,411
    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Location:
    Austria
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Do you make your own prints if so you could mask it off at the enlarging stage. A filmmask out of black cardboard with the correct Aspect Ratio. Another option would be to mask off the Filmgate of a classic 35mm SLR and put some marks with a permanent marker on the Groundglass.
    You could also use a cheap 2x anamorphic attachment on the lens this would create a 3:1 aspect ratio cut off a bit on the sides at the enlarging stage.
    (requires a de-anmorphizer to create a wide picture).

    To get a 2.35 Aspect Ratio from a 35mm Stillcamera your have to create a mask in the following size: 36mm (wide) x 15.31mm (height) for a 2.66 Aspect Ratio 36mm (wide) x 13.53mm (height)

    The original Techniscope frame is around 22.00 x 9.40 mm depending upon the camera manufacturer.

    Good Luck
     
  6. Mustafa Umut Sarac

    Mustafa Umut Sarac Member

    Messages:
    4,574
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2006
    Location:
    İstanbul
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    Hello again MDR,

    22 x 9.4 mm format makes life is easy. If we hold the camera for that format , single 35mm frame holds nearly 4 frames. Opening the camera and reducing the gear teeths 1/4 with zenit camera does the trick , my neighbor was a passport photographer and he did that to his camera 1/2 and take pictures cheaper than the competitors and become rich at the 70s. Simple trick but it worked , he used an zenit et. He is still around and can help me. What would be the camera lens ? Again 58 mm helios or wider ? And is there a another trick I dont know.
    Were the lenses compressing one side of image more or everything is a frame and normal lens only ?

    Thank you for your help ,
    Photography is costly for me and I have to tighten the belt.

    Umut
     
  7. MDR

    MDR Member

    Messages:
    1,411
    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Location:
    Austria
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    The lenses for Techniscope were normal spherical lenses no compression of the frame. A 35mm lens should work well, a 25mm lens even better. If you only really use the techniscope frame you can get some old Lomo cine lenses and adapt them to your camera mount or vice versa build an OCT-18 (or 19) mount for your Zenit. This might interest you as well http://www.2perf.arandafilm.com.au/NewFiles/page2generalinformation.html
     
  8. Chan Tran

    Chan Tran Member

    Messages:
    2,373
    Joined:
    May 10, 2006
    Location:
    Aurora, IL
    Shooter:
    35mm
    If you want to shoot still with that format why not simply use a 35mm camera and crop. You may need a wide angle lens.
     
  9. cliveh

    cliveh Subscriber

    Messages:
    4,708
    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2010
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    What a nice simple reply. Well done.
     
  10. pen s

    pen s Member

    Messages:
    241
    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    Location:
    Olympia, wa.
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Wasen't there a special lens for 35mm movie cameras that was shot with the compressed and enlongated image vertical and then un-comprerssed for projection with the lens axis horizontal.
     
  11. ic-racer

    ic-racer Member

    Messages:
    7,470
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2007
    Location:
    Midwest USA
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
  12. Samuel Hotton

    Samuel Hotton Member

    Messages:
    358
    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2005
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Hello Mustafa,
    I use the Russian Horizon 202 camera with the 28mm lens and a 24x58mm negative size (2.42:1 aspect ratio). The final aspect ratio of 2.35:1 Techniscope you desire would mean you crop .8mm (eight tenths) of a millimeter off the edges in the printing. Meaning you will be using 56.4mm rather than the full 58mm width. I have used the older Gorizont /Horizont and the Horizon 202 and been very happy with the images.

    All the best,
    Sam H.
     
  13. Dan Fromm

    Dan Fromm Member

    Messages:
    4,134
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2005
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Funny you should mention that. The OP, who seems to be very forgetful, recently posted links to discussions of anamorphic lenses. They're around.