Thank You Bob Carnie

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by Bruce Osgood, Jan 18, 2012.

  1. Bruce Osgood

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    For years I've used KRST 1:9 up to 1:19 for minutes and more minutes and have never felt I got what I thought was the right look. Then I read a piece from Carnie using KRST 1:5 for 45 seconds..... Well, I tried that too.

    BINGO.

    (ooops... somehow I posted in mid composition)


    I think I, and probably others, who were not satisified with KRST results were missing the transformation and looking at the final product as not different from the origional. Too long staring at what had already changed to see the difference.

    Thank you Bob Carnie.
     
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    kodak rapid selenium toner. I'm gonna try that dilution as well. Bob seems to be a pretty smart guy, AND he's Canadian.
     
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    Very timely, I hope to work on some prints soon myself...thanks!
     
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    I think you meant, "...AND he's Canadian, Eh?"

    I usually tone for a long time, particularly with warmtones. I need to try this.
     
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    Just wrote that on a note pad, headed into the DR this afternoon, I have the perfect image I want to try it on.
     
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    Dammit we don't all say "eh", the same way not all Americans are morons. In fact I don't know anybody who says "eh". You have to come from some hole in the wall in the atlantic provinces or yahoo land out west for that.
     
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    I'm calling your bluff Michael. We're all morons...

    :laugh:
     
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    No wonder your posts never make any sense! :smile:
     
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    Oh my, that was awesome.
     
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    I thought so too, until I spent some time living in the 'States and got called on it by my friends down there every chance they got! I'm originally from Toronto (rhymes with 'piranha').
     
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    That dump doesn't count :D
     
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    Drat. Beat me to it.
     
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    I didn't believe the 'eh' thing until I had a computer science class taught by a professor who ended every other sentence with 'eh?' Occasional strong statements were followed by 'eh!'.

    I want to say he was from Winnipeg though its been a while and my memory is a hazy.
     
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    eh your welcome
     
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    Does Manitoba count? I used to deal with a sales guy from Altoona who talked like that.
     
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    Well I hate to interrupt this very interesting linguistic debate, but I was wondering, re: the OP, whether this recommendation for 1:5 KRST for 45 sec. is for general toning or for a specific paper or process?

    Thank ya, as we don't really say much here in Texas
     
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    So.... 1:5 for 45 seconds gives the result unattainable by say 1:19 for very long time? I've been meaning to try this and haven't. Oh, I forgot... eh?
     
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    In other news, pot calls kettle black.
     
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    Good point... I got my results using MBFB (Not MGIV). I developed in 130-BZT 2 min plus 1 min in still water, rinse and FP4 fix. I can't speak to other papers or processes.
     
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    KRST doesn't appear to be available in Sydney anymore so I'm left with Adox (LCS) or Fotospeed. Does anyone have experience with these and know what the equivalent dilution to KRST might be? Which has less colour shift towards aubergine/purple?

    Thanks!
     
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    Another thing to keep in mind (up here in our Canadian winter... eh) is working temp. My darkroom is only partially heated, and it is the best I can do to keep my developer up to working temp. (If I woulda been able to get to Toronto, eh, and pick up that 8' stainless sink Bob was giving away a couple of years ago, I'd be all set, eh?) Anyway, cold KRST is very inconsistent, and frustrating to try to get predictable results.

    BTW, if you can't find KRST, check to see if Berg is available. (is it?) It works very well with Ilford WT. (especially with my caffenol prints)
     
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    Thanks Tom. Berg isn't available here either but I just checked and the options are: Adox, Fotospeed and Ilford.
     
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    I've used both the Ilford and Kodak products, and haven't seen any real difference with Multigrade IV FB. I tone for about 5 minutes using a dilution of 1+10 for both toners.
     
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    You'll really only see a noticeable difference with Warm tone papers, it's more sbtle with MG IV.

    I still prefer the higher dilution I+9 and I get very fast toning of the Forte Polywarmtone and Foma Variant papers I use in under a minute, I'd lose control at 1+5. However taht's probably because I process to get maximum warmth from my papers and I can get them to split tone wonerfully in Selenium when I want to.

    Ian