Toning Troubles

Discussion in 'B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry' started by Annie, Nov 21, 2003.

  1. Annie

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    I am working on a print that needs absolutely neutral blacks.... The kind of black that Agfa Classic FB has, however, I have had problems with the Agfa emulsions separating from the base at the corners during washing and I would like to use a heavier weight paper.

    I have a lot of Ilford Warmtone FB paper it has a heavier paper base that stands up well... but I despise it's sick green colour when untoned. I have tried several dilutions of selenium(1:7 the weakest) and it splits on me every time green/purple. As I said, I have a lot of this paper so I would like to get the toning under control. Is there a method of toning that I can use on the Warmtone to bring it toward the neutral blacks like the Agfa? Thanks!
     
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    Thank you Aggie...... I have yet to try gold toning, looks like now is the time!
     
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    Annie,
    Try the selenimun at about 1:20 and see if it splits on you. It might if it is left to long in the se. Try for under 5 minutes and see if you like it.


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    Thanks Lee! ...... no split at 5 minutes & the tonality looks good.
     
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    Is that with the Warmtone or Agfa?
     
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    What fixer are you using? T4 fixer from Photographer's Formulary only requires 60 seconds for fiber paper, and less washing time. if the problem is length of time in the wash casuing the seperation, reducing the wash time may help.
     
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    In summary...

    - at 1:20 neither paper tone splits, and each tones to their most neutral black... I still prefer the look of the Agfa.

    - at 1:7 the Warmtone splits, the Agfa moves toward a lovely warm maroon.

    - I use Agfa FX Universal (ammonium thiosulfate) for both film and paper, neutral pH and dirt cheap.

    - the Agfa has the best look of any paper I have tried it has absolutely neutral blacks right out of the fix. It would be my preferred paper but the separation at the corners is a real problem it starts 10 minutes into the process. I wash in trays. I even thought of buying the 16x20 and cutting the finished prints down to 11x14.

    - the Warmtone was free so I just wanted to see if I could get a look I like with it.

    I guess I am still looking for my ideal silver paper!! Thanks...... Annie.
     
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    You may have a bad batch of paper. I have used the Agfa Classic 8x10 and 11x14 and never had the problem you are describing, even with a 60 minute bath after HCA and regular hypo. It has been over a year, so maybe they have changed the paper in some way.
     
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    Jim... that is good to know. I phoned my supplier about the problem and they said I was the only one to mention it. I am making the long drive to civilization this week so I will pick up a box of the Agfa and give it another try.
     
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    I did have Oriental split on me once but it was because it was dark in the darkroom and the print was face down in the toning tray and I did not see it until after a friend and I got back from eating Chinese food. That is the only time I can remember having a split toned print with the 1:20 dil.


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