My son has a Canon A1 and he loves it. In fact, I can honestly say it is the best purchase I ever made, as it has gotten a tremendous amount of use. However, he would like a totally manual camera. His birthday is in August and I may surprise him with a camera. I have done a lot of reading but admit I'm not that knowledgable about specific cameras. I'm figuring the Canon F1 is probably our best choice. However, I'd also be open to trying a Nikon as a change. He attends an Arts school and is a photography major so I'm willing to spend a bit more. I know we'll get our money out of it. Thanks!