Tri-X / Rodinal?

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  1. Cheryl Jacobs

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    Hoping you all can give me some insight.

    I've just shot a roll of Tri-X 320 at 1600. I am looking for an aged, grainy effect, but still want decent detail in the print. I am wondering if Rodinal would suit the job? If so, anyone got a suggestion as to times / temps / dilutions? The shots on this film are not irreplaceable, but I'd rather not ruin them just the same.

    The other developer I have on hand is ID-11....

    Thanks -

    - CJ
     
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    Hello Cheryl,

    Did you have a peek at www.digitaltruth.com? The Massive Dev.Chart.
    Rodinal gives sharp but grainy negatives.
    Good luck
     
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    Yes, thanks, I did. There are no times available for Rodinal at all for professional Tri-X 320, let alone pushing.

    May just go ahead with the ID-11...
     
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    Damn. Now I can't find my developing time for Tri-X 320 in ID-11 pushing to 1600? Anybody?
     
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    Do not despair. I found some info: TriX at 1600 iso,Rodinal 1+50 dilution, 18,5 minutes at 68F. I haven't tried it myself, I must add.
     
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    cheryl-

    i just finished a project where i wanted a very unique grain pattern. i tried 4 different combinations HC-110 (which is my std developer so this was the 'control group'), one of the FX developers from the Darkroom Cookbook, Rodinal, and Ethol TEC.

    Ethol TEC was my final choice because the grain was very distinctive, it almost gave the effect of an etching. My second choice was Rodinal, the grain was distinct and very sharp.

    I have some work handy of the Tri-X Ethol TEC around the house if you want I can scan it and send you a sample. I may still have the test prints from the rodinal at the lab, I can try and get them tomorrow if you want.

    -jts
     
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    Thanks! Yes, I'd love to see the samples you have. I'm looking for a few different grain structures, for a few different bodies of work, so I appreciate the offer.

    Clogz, thanks for the data!
     
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    Cheryl,
    You might want to use Acufine (approx 14 min @ 68F)...and add to its effect in the darkroom with the diffused exposure you often use. This may be less grain than you are trying to get...but it certainly gives the haunting old look that may suit your purposes...and more, it give very good detail. I just got good results shooting TriX @ 3200 and processed for 30 min @68F.

    good luck
    Bobby
     
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    Hey, Bobby, it's good to see you over here! Thanks for the Acufine info. I haven't used it before, so it'll be fun. So, that's Acufine for 14min @68 for Tri-X 320 at 1600?
     
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    I really like the acufine...it is specifically for push processing...I think you'll like it too. I've found different times for acufine...but it's fairly tolerant. Like I said I pushed TriX to 3200...available info said to process for 21 minutes...I did it for 30 min with good results. I'll print something in the next day or two...I'll send you the results.

    I'm trying to spend more time on this site too (in all my spare time).
     
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    I've recently developed some TriX in Acutol 1:9 that gave me some really nice crisp and VERY sharp grain. I was using a noctilux wide open and rated the TriX at 400 for some interior nighttime shots. I developed for 10 minutes at 70 degrees, and they turned out wonderfully. Since you shot at 1600, you could probably increase the time to 15 minutes or so and get acceptable results. The thing that I liked about Acutol over Rodinal was that it did not seem to increase the base fog as much as Rodinal tends to do when you use it at 1:25. The grain was very similar, however. If grain is what you want, then definitely stay away from solvent developers like ID-11, which contain sodium sulfite and will tend to reduce the grain.

    That said, in a pinch you could dilute the ID-11 to 1:3 and develop for 30 minutes and get the grain you are looking for. Just be sure and put some empty reels in the tank so that you use an appropriate developer volume of at least 4 ounces of stock solution per roll of film.
     
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    Cheryl,
    I have not done that and it seems odd to me. TXP is totally different from TX and is not inteded for push processing, mainly not for more than two f-stops . However, Rodinal might perhaps do the job as you wish. Try 1+50 for 35 min @68°F and 1 minute agitation interval as a starting point.
     
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    Thilo, TXP actually pushes quite well. In this instance, I was presented with a fleeting opportunity in low light, and pushing was the only way to get the shot. Which was fine by me, because I wanted quite a lot of grain to suit the mood of the image.

    I ended up usng ID-11 and it worked out OK. I duel selenium / sepia toned it. Will be printing more of them today and may throw a few into the gallery.
     
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    Cheryl

    If you are looking to produce grain have you thought of trying Delta 3200 developed in Rodinal. The film can be pushed, I've taken it to 25,000 ISO, you may remember the image "New York Kiss" I posted a few months ago, the grain is sharp and depending on the speed used can vary in size. I find that rating it at 6400 developed in Rodinal 1 to 25 for 10 minutes gives me good negatives.

    You may also wish to try Tri X developed in very dilute Rodinal say 1 to 200 or even 1 to 300 for something like 4 or 5 hours to increase the grain.
    Rate the film at 1600 ISO and agitate for the first 5 minutes and leave the tank standing in a tray of water to hold the temperature at 20 degrees c. You will get excellent grain but you need to have a little contrast in the subject you shoot. I guess that you will be shooting portraits and will have some control over the lighting so that will not be a problem for you.