Unknown Russian Camera: Military?

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  1. Zarraboy

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    I´ve been offered this item by an antique collector who does not know any details about it. Can someone help? Pictures from the seller, not mine!
     

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    It's a Zenit Photosniper. they used to be sold in the UK by the official Russian camera importer TOE (Technical & Optical Equipment)

    Basically a Zenit E with a 300mm lens fitted to a pistol grip which made the whole thing easier to balance for hand held work.

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    Looks to me like a Fotosniper FS-3 kit, sold as a complete kit by KMZ from 1965 to 1982. The body is a Zenit-ES, the tele lens a Tair-3AS 300/4.5, and it also came with a Helios-44 58/2 lens, and 5 filters. No, I'm not an expert - I found it in my copy of Princelle, page 173.

    P.S: Gotta be quick, don't you. In the time it took me to type two lines there were three other replies!
     
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    That's because I remember seeing them in the shops, and in the display window of T.O.E. in London. Also I had a Zenit E in the late 1960's :D

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    It's a Zenit E Photo Sniper, Outfit they may have been used by the Russian Military I don't know, but they were available in the U.K about twenty years ago in camera stores, we used to sell them in the stores I worked in, they were imported by a company called Technical And Optical Equipment, the 300mm Tair 3 is a pretty good pre-set lens and it should also have in the kit a 58mm Helios lens. If you decide to buy it be careful where you use it, I stupidly once used one in Belfast during " the troubles" and nearly got my head shot off by the British Security Forces because it looks so much like an AK 47 from a distance.
     
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    From the above answers, you might get the impression that it was only available (outside the F.S.U.) in the U.K. It was not: you could get it anywhere. As far as i know, it's not a rare thing, nor should it be expensive (it wasn't back then).
     
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    T.O.E which was Russian owned were particularly active in the UK so Zenit's were quite common, but of course they were available world-wide.

    They are still available new although the camera body is now more a bit more modern 196 euros/$295 :D

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    I'd feel like a right wally using one of these in public.......either that, or be very worried about being arrested! :redface:
     
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    They were available at every corner at Turkish market 20 years ago , but they were black and looks cheap.
    This one is looking far away better but heavier also.
    Bird photographers would like to own one and also it would take a crowded street in a compressed way and effect would be great. You can be sure no one sees they are photographed
     
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    I doubt that they were specifically made for military usage, but one thing is for sure: if you used one on the street today, you would be very likely to meet a military (or police) person in a somewhat unfriendly mood.
     
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    I had an early one I dropped from a back pack on to the concrete at Wrigley Field in Chicago. Bunged up the body, but I was able to force the film transport and got my pictures of the game. I bought a newer one to replace the kit; but a trip to my local camera whiz got the body working again just fine.

    I have the new outfit, NIB for anyone who is interested in making an offer. As mentioned above, the 300 mm lens is quite sharp.
     
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    In case anybody cares, "фото снайпер" on the label in the second picture means "Sniper Photo" in Russian.
     
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    Or rather "photo sniper".
    :wink:
     
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    Yeah, you're right. I get things backwards pretty often.

    I usually double check to be sure but this time I let one slip by without checking. :redface:
     
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    The Photosniper was nothing extraordinary, it's made for regular people, not military. Something like "shoot the animals and birds just like a hunter" I think. I live in Latvia (former USSR) and we have these kits available for ~100GBP "like new" condition.
     
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    I don't think you could use this in a public place. For sure, you will be stopped repeatedly.

    You'd probably be OK using it out in the woods or near a lake or any place not near today's frightened populace and certainly not near a cop.
     
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