Upcoming alt process documentary trailer

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  1. PVia

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    Very interesting, of course I can't help but wonder why certain artists weren't mentioned, especially Dick Arentz since he literally wrote the book on platinum printing. Nevertheless, as a platinum printer myself, I anxiously await the film's release.
     
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    Not all alt process is strictly 19th century, e.g. digital negatives or more recent alternative processes even.

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    Looks very good, Thanks for sharing the link.
     
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    I hope that someone will make a post when the documentary is actually available.
     
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    I love the Chuck Close comment, "photography is the hardest medium in which to have a distinctive personal vision"... of course, just because one is using a process from the 19th century, doesn't necessarily translate into a unique personal vision... I think it's just as hard (if not harder!!) to find that voice using those processes. At any rate, I'm really looking forward to seeing this, it looks great.
     
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    Suzanne,

    I agree completely. There is sometimes a danger in valuing the act of carrying out the process without due regard for the artistic merit of the print. e.g. a "poor quality" wet plate isn't inherently more "creative" than a completely clean 16x20" silver print from a T-grain 4x5" negative.

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    Richard Benson once said, the world is full of well-executed poorly conceived photographs...
     
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    All this talk about finding "a distinctive personal vision" is pure artspeak BS. Who cares if I or anyone else produce "well executed, poorly conceived photographs". I doubt that any of the great image makers gave any thought as to whether or not they were finding their own ""distinctive personal vision". Isn't the point to have fun?! Otherwise we are just trying to make images to please other people, and everyone should know by now that Hell IS other people (not you guys, of course).
     
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    I saw this on my FB account. Does anyone know if it's a PBS program, an A&E, Encore or some other program? Or is it a direct to disc thing? I would be very interested in seeing it or buying a copy for the students I work with.
    As regards to the processes, I agree that without vision, no amount of technique can carry the work forward.
     
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    Personal vision is the point.

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    I'm looking forward to seeing it and think it's a shot in the arm for all non-digital photographic processes. It looks like dags/wet plate are the main focus and that's reasonable--since the processes (and tools) are visually interesting. Chuck Close's well-known comment strikes me as insightful and isn't meant as a boast. He's referring to *all* photography and the difficulty of creating a personal style. I think style develops more organically with a medium like painting. The nature of the medium makes it more likely that the personal techniques and style of the artist will be visible (and recognizable) on the canvas.

    The mechanical nature of photography makes it harder to have a recognizable personal vision. I think you can argue whether personal vision is as important to the nature of photography, but it certainly helps with achieving success. Sometimes, it drives photographers and artists) to do gimmicky or outrageous things for attention, to set themselves apart. A good case in point is the Ansel Adams/Uncle Earl confusion. Most people would probably agree that Ansel Adams had a unique personal vision, but medium of photography tempers that to a point where some people aren't able to differentiate his work from an unknown photographer.
     
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    Seems to me finding your distinctive voice involves pleasing only yourself, not others, no matter how you work.The mechanical nature of photography can be a barrier for many to find their own voice with this medium. In many ways you have to get your technique down, make it second nature, whether it's sloppy or neat, (doesn't really matter, IMHO) so you can just make the pictures you want. Then your voice might appear, and your pictures may well please others. Nice bonus that.
     
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    "Distinctive voice" or "distinctive personal vision", whatever you choose, it's all the same Kool-Ade. Do I have to point out that every one of us is already unique and distinct and so are our voices and visions. What you are doing is searching for something which you already have. This all reminds me of the Zen parable wherein the fish becomes confused because he doesn't know how he keeps from sinking into the depths of the ocean. Seeing his tail, he swims to catch it in his mouth in order to hold himself up, but since his spine is not quite supple enough all he manages to do is to constantly swim around in circles. It would be best if the fish put his tail behind him (where it belongs) and swim off to explore the vast ocean . So forget about trying to find your "distinctive personal vision" and just have some fun and go make some pictures (and isn't "pleasing only yourself" the same as having fun?).
     
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    I completely disagree. Investigating a personal visual approach is a vital part of photography. One doesn't just pick up a camera with instincts fully formed, the process requires effort.

    Tom