Vericolor - from where is the name derived

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  1. BasilA

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    Hello, I am familiar with names like EKtachome (EK being Eastman Kodak) and Kodacolor, but I've always wondered where the VERI in Vericolor Films comes from. Anybody know? Kind regards, Basil
     
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    From the Latin veritas meaning truth. So Vericolor means true color.

    Once again the value of a grammar school education evidences itself. Grammar schools were so named because students were taught Latin grammar. My Latin teacher was Mrs Daly. Each day six students were sent up to the board to conjugate a verb or decline a noun. Mrs Daly was an artist in the use of a piece of chalk. Mistakes were punctuated with a piece of chalk hitting them. Sometimes also the student. She once threw a large Latin dictionary at a girl who made the mistake of wearing orange on St Patrick's day.
     
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    Yikes! The worst I ever had thrown at me was an eraser.
     
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    Mrs Daly: "Gerald, would you care to decline a noun today?"
    Gerald: "gladly"
    Mrs Daly:"then why aren't you getting up and going to the chalkboard?"
    Gerald: "I declined, didn't I? I'll decline the verb too, and anything else that would make me get out of this chair :smile:"
    *THWAP* (eraser hits Gerald) *POOF* (cloud of chalk dust erupts)
    Mrs Daly: "You were saying, Gerald?"
     
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    +500 pts for TFC!
     
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    I've also seen some UK members call it "Vericolour". Perfect excuse to light the torches right there!
     
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    Us Canadians agree with our UK brethren/sisters.

    I wonder if I have an old Pro-Pack box around somewhere - to see whether our Canadian stocks were properly labelled!
     
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    I got hit by a large dictionary aimed at someone else. It knocked me out of my chair onto the floor.

    The teacher apologized and told us she was aiming (poorly it seems) at the student in the next row.

    Anyhow, I took French instead of Latin and I wore orange on St. Patrick's day. That is the rebel in me.

    PE
     
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    And Kodak used both name versions: Kodachrome and Kodachrom

    But this is only for those who learned Greek at school...
     
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    By the sounds of your Latin classes, I'm shocked y'all weren't attening Catholic schools!

    I excelled at church Latin but not real Latin. Also took French but wasn't allowed to speak it at home. Then Spanish... which I failed to master despite passing all of my classes with decent grades.
     
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    The Veri part comes from Wratten and Wainwright and their Verichrome film released around 1908. George Eastman bought Wratten & Wainwright at GEK Mees insistance (he was a director of W & W) when he was asked to join Kodak and set up their new research facilities.

    Ian
     
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    Gerry,, you are right. Veri- comes from the Latin of "truth" and is found in many Kodak products including Verifax and other non-film items. Just as, for some reason, many developers end in "-ol". I wish I knew why. Versatol, Polydol, Xtol and so on. Latin, Greek or what? Anyhow, that is another Kodak naming convention.

    PE
     
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    You know one thing I liked about Kodak's 80-90s era packaging was the simple lowercase Helvetica (atleast I think it was) design.

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    Kodak Lens Cleaning Paper by aephecks, on Flickr
     
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    Hi Ron,

    The -ol ending goes way back in photography. While Kodak used the name Elon, others used Metol, Genol, Planetol, Pictol, Ardol, Ecol, Photol, ... Planetol makes me think of Buck Rogers.
     
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    I recognize that in developing agents as well as developers, but I was wondering the origin. Oh well, a mystery.

    PE
     
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    Being a relative youngster around here (my elementary school days started in the mid 70', in the state of Wyoming), there was no Latin being taught. As I understand it, writing (cursive) is not being taught at a lot of US schools these days, because of the focus on standardized tests. As Someone who was forbidden recess quite a few times in the third grade because of penmanship, I can't say that it hurts my feelings.
     
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    Wait until you have to read something "written" by a 20 something modern person!

    PE
     
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    I am upset that cursive is no longer taught in our schools. My youngest is still in high school, and has beautiful hand writing(because I taught her). I won penmanship awards in elementary (catholic)school, had to excel to keep the penguins from hitting me. I'm naturally left handed, and was routinly cracked on the knuckles with a wooden pointer for it, forcing me to write right handed. They also taught us latin and french, as they were a French-Canadian order of nuns.
     
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    Being left handed, I was lucky to be in a public school, I only lost boxes of crayons. After the 5th box however my mother had a little chat with the principal who lived one block away from us (Ah the joys of a small Wyoming town). After that the teacher left me alone, except for missing lots of recess that year. Technology was my ultimate savior when not to long after that my parents bought a TRS-80 model 1. My grades went up by a lot because teachers could read what I was writing.

    As for something being written by 20 year olds, they write? I thought everything thy did these days they did everything electronically! When I was in classes, I was often the only one with a pen and paper taking notes, everyone else was using either a tablet or laptop.
     
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    PE, I got this from Yahoo 'answers' as to what 'ol' means in chemistry:

    "The suffix –ol is used in organic chemistry to form names of organic compounds containing the –OH group (hydroxyl group)"

    And, PE, I do adore your quote: "Wait until you have to read something "written" by a 20 something modern person!". Academics seems to be, essentially, either meaningless in today's culture or subordinated to the level of mediocrity. Just try STUDYING in today's noisy libraries and just try SUGGESTING to the staff that the (yes, THEIR) noise level be kept down. A year ago in the (exclusive!!!) Rittenhouse Square branch of the Philadelphia Free Library there were two rather well-to-do women whose screaming children (about 5 years old) kept the Library at bay for 45 minutes!!! And I do not know for how long afterward because I told them, in a bit of a forceful voice (but not yelling) that they were not the only people here entitled to use the library. The big, black guard immediately told me not to talk to them that way (he was defending this affluent, white privilege) (!!!). I simply left because one simply cannot cut through that combination of adrenalin and moxie without going mad in this neurotic city of fools.

    Rick: i must be younger (63) than you: because, also, I am left-handed, but was never punished for that indiscretion. And, long ago, I forgot how to write (except my signature). I print always. - David Lyga
     
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    My brother is about your age, David... and left handed too. Or I should say he WAS left-handed because the teachers "trained" him to be "normal". For all of his life he was somewhat handicapped because of that. He developed few skills with his left hand and lousy skills with his right hand.
     
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    David, I'm 61, but the nuns at the catholic school did their utmost best to "make me normal", to no avail. My father pulled me out and let me attend public school from 5th grade on, but the damage was done.
     
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    David, thanks for the -ol definition. I am originally an organic chemist, and all of the developing agents mentioned have an -OH group. Geez, how dumb of me.

    PE
     
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    Utterly strange information here ... I mean the school thing. Never heard of a teacher throwing things at students. How barbaric! Where I went to school it was always the students throwing things at the teacher. The minute the math teacher turned his back, the blackboard was splattered with spitwads. "You knunkleheads, who did that?" He was a horrible math teacher. Good teachers were treated treated respectfully, though some pretty bizarre practical jokes transpired from time to time... and the chemistry lab was indeed blown up by the school dunce randomly pouring concentrated chemicals down the drain (after he grew up he owned his own engineering company, while the school chem whiz ended up as a welfare bum, and the physics whiz kid made millions early on in software design, then spent twenty in prison for income evasion, and now is by far the most informed min wage security guard the Tech Museum has ever employed.
     
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    And color from the odd American way of spelling colour!


    Steve.