Warm paper dveloper

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  1. ongarine

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    Some very simple questions:
    a) what is your preferred warm paper dveloper?
    b) your favourite combination paper/warm developer
    Any comments, suggestions are welcome.
    Thanks
    Daniele
     
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    I really like Ansco 130. It comes up warm in all the papers I've tried, and the tonality is excellent. Another plus is that the stuff lasts dang near forever!
     
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    I thought it was the ansco 120 that was soft. The ansco 130 is definitely not as soft as 120 on Ilford Ilfobrom Galerie Grade 4 when I print.

    I use selectol soft too. But, I only use them for sabbatier, so I can't comment on what to use to just get a soft effect. There is a developer called Solarol as well, but I haven't tried it.

    Good luck,

    William
     
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    Hope you dont mind a "me too", but I like 130 as well. There is an Ansel Adams version that is a little warmer that is nice.

    If you don't want to mix your own, Edwal has a nice developer, "Edwal Platinum II Black and White Paper Developer". (http://www.adorama.com/CHEP32.html) and Zonal Pro, "Zonal Pro HQ Warmtone Black & White Paper" works as well.
     
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    me too, and ... you can process film in it as well :smile:
     
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    I like Agfa Neutol WA at 1+11 .. more dilute it is warmer it gets with Kodak AZO G3

     
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    Ethol LPD 1+12

    I loved it with Paterson Agugrade WT (RC)
    It did a great job with Ilford MGWT, specially after selenium
     
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    ansco 130 is usually used as a neutral to cold developer;; however, as the dilution rate increases it gets warmer. the same holds true for the Super platinum. With all the tests we have done with it at 1:15 it is warmer than the traditional warm tone developers with warm tone papers.

    There are a lot of warmtone papers available ;bergger and forte both make wonderful papers. Can't say that this option would be my favorite , but if you want warm then any of the above developers with these papers work very well.
     
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    I haven't tried 130 due to the difficulty of obtaining (and paying for) glycin, but Agfa Neutol WA already mentioned by someone else is good, fast for a warm developer compared to some formulas, and lasts very well in use.
     
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    The Zonal Pro HQ warmtone and Forte Warmtone paper is very good.
     
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    Gevaert G262 is my warm-tone developer. Ansco 130 is neutral, at least as I use it.

    Well-diluted G262 can even make Multigrade IV RC warmer!
     
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    I came across this PDF FILE

    I think it should be useful to determine paper/dev combinations

    I haven't bought forte in about 5 years, in the US is too expensive
     
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    For years I've used Ilford's ID-78, a published formula, very similar to Neutol WA in liquid form but a longer shelf life and better keeping properties in tray use, as it's Phenidone based.

    Forte papers used to be very reasonable prices before Eastern Europe came in from the cold. Now they are overpriced, when sold as Forte or Berger, so buy from Photoimpex (Germany) or J&C in the american colonies :smile:
     
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    Thanks for the pdf link, titrisol. As I will be starting toning soon, this will come in handy.
    thanks to all for the info, and a big thanks to ongarine for this timely (to me) question.
     
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    just an fyi, fixers will influence toning as well as the developer.
     
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    Ann is right, I'm using the rapid fixer 1+4 method now, and selenium tones have changed a bit.

    I guess the silver grains in the paper are affected by many factors, and those are the ones that affect toning.
    Still looking for a better explanation.
     
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    Thanks to all APUG users for theirs replies.
    My aim is to know your preferred warm paper developer and to have some indications on your "taste" of right combination paper/warm developer.

    I used for many years (almost 20) Agfa Neutol WA with papers such Oriental Seagull, Ilford Galerie and Agfa Portriga with various results. In the last years I completely changed my choice of papers, some of the above were disappear, and for this reason also the warm developers to have the right combination paper/developer.

    Actually I have tested the G262 and Moersch Sepia with Fortezo and Fomatone MG and Ilford MG Warm tone.
    The Gaevert 262 is a really interesting warm developer, with Fomatone real astonishing for the richness of tones you achivied.
    My next test will be Gainer PG/PQ paper developer, for this reason I ask to Jdef more indications or suggestions along.
    Thanks
    Daniele
     
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    Photographers formulary sell glycin at very reasonable prices compared to what I have to pay in the UK.
     
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    Try Gaf 135 and adjust the amount of Potassium Bromide in the formula for more warmth.
    Steve Sherman