warm tone paper developer

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  1. unregistered

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    Looking to replace Agfa's Nutol WA now that my stock is gone.

    Any good reccomendations? Prefer liquid.

    Thanks
     
  2. Lachlan Young

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    ID-78 is remarkably similar but you would have to mix it yourself.
    You could also try the new Harman Warmtone developer from Ilford - both of these seem to have been recommended highly by those who have used them. The Ilford comes only in 1 litre packagings however.

    Hope this helps,

    Lachlan
     
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    I've been pretty happy with Edwal Platinum II... especially with Forte PWT. It also worked well with Ilford WT. I didn't get that greenish cast as I was getting with Ethol LPD and the Ilford. I've also been told that Zonal-Pro Warmtone is good, and I'd like to try it as well as I can't always find the Edwal.
     
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    ZonalPro Warmtone also goes well with Forte Fortezo and Kentmere Kentona.

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    Thanks for the replys. I've used the Zonal Pro but wasn't happy with it. One thing about Nutol was that it would last for days...not that I always need that but it was good it did. I'll try the Ilford to see what its like. I prefer liquid for warm tone dev. since I don't use it all the time. I use the Zone VI paper dev. mostly.

    Thanks again
     
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    Since you liked the results you were getting with Neutol WA,

    I strongly second Lachlan's recommendation for Ilford - ID 78

    Its easy and inexpensive to mix it yourself, it works great, and it has a long working life.

    http://www.apug.org/forums/article.php?a=23
     
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    How about Ilford's new Warm Tone developer?
     
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    One of the best W/T developers is the old Ansco 130 formula which is Glycin based. Bit expensive to mix though with the cost of Glycin these days. Ilfords new Warm Tone sounds good, can't wait to try some.
     
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    I use Fotospeed WT10 (although I don't know if it's available outside the UK). The warmth varies with dilution - the more dilute, the warmer it gets. I can still get full blacks on Ilford WTFB and Fotospeed Legacy) at 1+29, but after that it gets a bit 'soft'.

    Rob
     
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    I haven't tried Ilfords version yet...its somethingI do want to try though. Ansco is a great dev. but am looking for liquid for conveinence. Wil check on Fotospeed availability also.

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    And what is the difference twixt the 62 and 78? The
    amount of bromide. Simple as that; 2 vs 4.5 grams.
    A usual recommendation; add bromide for warmth.
    Conversely, BZT to chill.

    Mix up the 62 minus all bromide. Some papers don't
    need any and without take shorter exposures and develop
    faster. Then tone to one's taste by addition from a bottle of
    bromide or BZT. I've now a bottle of 2% bromide from which
    I draw. No BZT though. Dan
     
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    Alexis,

    Not sure if you are based in the UK but I just bought some Neutol WA at Silverprint near Waterloo. Not 100% sure but aren't Gavert the chemistry manufactuing arm of the now defunct Agfa Photo continuing to manufacture Neutol WA ?
     
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    Arthur,

    I'm in the states now, although I was in Paris for 3 years recently. You might be right about Gavert...I just haven't seen anyone selling it here. Maybe I need to check other places.
     
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    Alex,

    You may wabt to try the Camera Barn in Duluth. They may have some Agfa products.
     
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    Thanks Don.

    Alexis
     
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    Alexis,

    if you mix you might consider this receipe

    his is a modified formula for Defender 55-D Portrait.

    To make 4 liters stock solution:

    Water (125f) 2 liters
    Metol 10 grams
    Sodium Sulfilte Anhy 150 grams
    Potassium Carbinate Anhy 200 grams
    Potassium Bromide 100 grams*
    Water to make 4 liters

    *The liberal use of Ptassium bromide is encourged, even in excess of the formula.


    Dilute 1 part stock, 2 parts water. Adjust exposure to produce desired print density when developed for 2 minutes at 68F. Stock formula produces warm blacks without a noticeable "brown" look.

    The formula is based on the Defender 55-D Portait developer and 'fiddled' with to produce maximum warm tones with the Ilford WT fiber paper.

    I have used this formula for several years now and it does not produce the Dektol green look on the Ilfrod WT paper.

    enjoy,

    lee\c
     
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    Since Silverprint's Web site indicates those chemicals are manufactured by A&O, which picked up manufacturing from Agfaphoto, it would be very interesting if you could tell us exactly what the label says on your Neutol WA. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Another vote for the new Ilford / Harman Warmtone soup. Works quite slowly but a really nice result.
     
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    Thanks Lee. Will try.
     
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    I use LPD.



    Michael
     
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    Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww
     
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    Neutol liquid WA is available.
     
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    Was your greenish cast really that bad, then? I've used LPD 1:4 on Ilford MGWT, and haven't experienced anything like that. It would be a turn off, I agree!
     
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    I use Edwal Platinum II w/ Ilford WtFB and Forte PW papers, I love this developer. Diluted 1:40. Great tones and detail.
     
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    Alexis,

    I'm fairly sure Freestyle is selling Neutol, as they've picked up the other Agfa chems out there. Might want to give them a look-see.

    Will be shipping back chems, papers, films from Germany later this year.