What toner is this?

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  1. cotdt

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    I'm using this unknown toner called "Blue Toner" and it's making my prints dark bluish. After sepia toning and then using this toner, my prints become red instead. What kind of toner is this?
     
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    BTW I think it was made in the 1950's or 60's, the bottle looks ancient. I got it for $2. What is this toner and would it give protection to my prints?
     
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    Gold toner, used on Warm tone paper will go blue, on a sepia toned image red.

    Ian
     
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    Blue toner and copper are not archival, neither will give you more print protection. I think it's a standard blue toner and what you are getting is just a reaction to sulphide toner having another kind of silver compound, probably this behavior will change more or less evidently if you change the kind of paper.

    BTW, althought Ian is right, I don't think it's gold toner because depending what formulation and paper it won't turn always to blue, and if you tone first with it, standard sepia with standard bleach shouldn't do too much (never tried) .AFAIK gold toner was always clearly labeled, as well as blue (also know as indigo) toner.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    It's a really old package that just says "Kodak Blue Toner" without any sort of description. How do I tell if this is a blue toner or gold toner? Any tests I can do?
     
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    I remember reading an old Kodak book, and in that there was a description on how to make red images..

    first brown tone - then blue tone it...

    however it depends on what type of paper you use to get this effect.

    I also remember a recipie for this blue toner - and it was far from the one I make....

    I'll lokk for the book - but can't promise anything
    (and I of course could remember wrong...)
     
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    If it says blue toner, then it's a blue toner, not a gold one...pretty simple.

    However, the gentlemen below will clarify this...
     
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    but question is, is it iron-based blue toner or gold-based blue toner? it's confusing because some blue toner formulas use gold chloride, others ferric ammonium citrate. i wonder if there is some kind of test i can do to tell the difference.
     
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    Not necessarily, the Kodak T-26 blue toner was (is) a gold toner.

    To cotdt. I take it from your description that this is a single bottle of solution that is used directly? If so, it will probably be a gold toner (the red colour when combined with sepia is expected with gold toner, whereas sepia combined with iron-blue toners gives green tones).

    Iron-blue toners are usually supplied as several solutions that are mixed before use, as they are stable separately, but only last a day or two once mixed.
     
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    The kind of behavior you describe (dark blue on direct toning, reddish when used after sepia toning) only describes a gold toner, AFAIK.
     
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    that's good news. i will tone all my important work in this toner then. i'm glad it was cheap.
     
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    what does the toner look like in the dish or bottle?
    Tim
     
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    it looks clear liquid in the bottle.
     
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    Then I would say it must be gold
    Tim