Which toner to get Lith look

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  1. darkosaric

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    Hi,

    So - I like results that I get from FOMATONE MG 542 Chamois paper with Moersch Lith. But this paper is pretty expensive, so I am starting to look for some developer / toner(s) combination that will give me similar look. I am planing to use tetenal or foma liquid emulsion on nice 250 grams papers that is very similar to FOMATONE MG 542 Chamois concerning paper surface. From paper developers right now I use Moersch ECO 4812 developer.

    I am open to suggestions. :smile:

    thanks,
     
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    Darko,

    While not warm-tone paper, I enjoy using regular Ilford MGIV, matte surface. I then use Moersch MT-3 toner, at the most yellow setting, and then I use Harmann selenium toner. The sequence of using dilute bleach, and bleaching back only the highlights, redeveloping in MT-3, wash for 10-15 minutes, and then strong selenium, is possibly the closest thing to a lith print I have gotten.
    The Moersch Siena toner could also be useful for this.

    You could also use Ilford MGIV processed in regular chemistry about 1/2 stop over-exposed in the enlarger. Bleach fully back in copper sulfate or potassium ferricyanide, and re-develop in lith developer. That can give a semi-lith effect, especially if you tone it after re-developing.

    Good luck.
     
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    Thanks for feedback Thomes. Soon I will be ordering from Herr Wolfgang Moersch some stuff - I will add MT-3 and selenium :smile:

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    What kind of paper are you gonna use and are you gonna size/coat it with gelatin, to avoid the liquid emulsion to sink to deep into the paper? Otherwise you might lose sharpness due to the texture of the paper.
    I used Fabriano Artistico extra white (300 gr) before with alt photo and it works fine.
    It's on sale now (also in Germany) until Juli 1st, see my other thread: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum42/...alt-process-europe-until-juli-1st-2013-a.html
    Bert from Holland
     
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    I use Dessin 220 dawning paper, LANA manufacturer and some other 250gr aquarel paper. I already test it with normal developer - I like the results. I don't coat it with gelatin, some sharpens is maybe lost due to texture, but I don't mind it that much - final result is pleasing to my eye.
     
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    Could you show us some examples please?
    I made dry plate glass negatives once with liquid emulsion from Rollei.
    See: http://thetoadmen.blogspot.nl/2012/09/making-dry-plate-glass-negatives-with.html
     
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    beautiful work bert !

    did you sub your plates or clean and coat and chill them ?
    i never thought it could be true, but i never sub anymore
    but i have become a hardener sucker ... i hate hardener but
    it is genius for liquidemulsons...

    john
     
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    Hi,

    here are 2 test examples - not scan since paper size is 30x45 cm, taken with digital point and shoot. I don't know price of Fabriano Artistico papers; those that I use: block of 50 papers is around 10-15 euros.
     

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