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Discussion in 'Photographers' started by Stephen Frizza, Jun 21, 2010.
Does anyone know who shot this? and how it was done?
Tetons and The Snake River, Grand Teton National Park, 1942. One of several photographs by someone called Ansel Adams.
How embarrassment! That's one I really should have known LOL but without the location I couldn't confirm. thanks so much! I like this image.
Check out Minor White's version too...
Adams has a famous photograph of this location, but I don't believe this is his. The clouds are different than Adams photograph.
i don't remember Adams doing this type of toning
Very simialr to the version in adams book "The print" but cloud formations are a little different and dodging/burning are different in the sky. The position of camera looks to be identical though so its quite possible he made several negatives whilst clouds moved. Whether it was printed by him is another matter. I don't think anyone could say unless they knew the source of that actual print.
National Archive provided a link to this - I'm reasonably satisfied that the original is by Adams even if this toned copy is not.
Even the clouds look the same
It's probably poor reproduction, Ansel Adams didn't like warm tone papers.
Adams printing varied quite a lot over the years so some images do have quite a different feel depending on which periods the actual prints were made. At one point his prints were much more contrasty with heavier dodging and burning, I was quite shocked at the marked difference in quality of work in one exhibition (Oxford 2008) which came from his daughters collection. I'd seen all the images before in a major Ansel Adams exhibition but the prints there had far greater clarity and tonality.
Fly in to the airport at Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Leave the airport and just north of the airport there is a park. Head to the north end of the parking lot. Park car. Take care not to trip in the many tripod holes at that location.
A great shot none the less.
HaHaHa for sure or maybe tripod obstacle course. A few years ago we were camping in Grand Tetons and I went for an evening shoot at Ox Bow Bend. I was astonished, there must have been twenty to thirty tripods to navigate.
Talking photography with the herd was more fun than trying to shoot.
That is VERY close to the Adams print I have hanging in the reception room of my office. His is definitely not warm toned, though (at least the print I have).
I am looking at a poster of AA's Tetons and Snake River as I type this and I can confirm that the image the OP posted is not even a toned copy of AA's photo. The clouds, as somebody pointed out, are different in AA's shot, though the tripod location appears to be exactly the same.
Here's a higher resolution image of the photo:
Very nice, I use this photograph as desktop background in my Linux System. I thought that a monochrome image would be great for the black UI I chose; AA was my first thought.
Maybe your Poster is a fake
The clouds are the give-away they are absolutely identical, there's some unique features so it's a physical impossibility that it's a different= image.
However as I pointed out earlier there are vastly different interpretations made by Adams himself from the same negatives over the years, this is one of those images. Also quality of reproduction is playing a big effect as well, and it's possible the tone colour was done at this stage.
The reproduction in the copy of "The print" that I have makes the clouds look different. It is NOT clear that it is the same negative. But close examination of detail such as tree branches and placement shows that it is was taken at the same time and is not a recent image. Again, I suspect it was taken at the same time but may be a one of several negatives produced. Reproduction may account for the differences I see in clouds or they may not. But as someone pointed out, the brown toning was not Adams style so its probably a modern print of one of his negatives.
It could just be someones idea of improving the original.
Not to hijack this thread too much, but I think you hit on something in your last sentence. "Improve the original"...that is something I have a hard time with in a way. Perhaps why I liked shooting chromes so much a couple years ago. When you shoot a positive, you pick the exact look that you, the artist, wants by combination of film choice, lighting, lens, aperture and shutter speed. If successful, the result is a pure photograph, one that existed exactly as such in your mind before you tripped the shutter. (Not saying you can't pre-visualize a neg to print, but see below...)
Shooting negative film, however, subjects one's work to many extra variables once the artist is dead/gone/ no longer printing. Master that he was, even Adams' careful selection of time of year for this shot, negative film stock, and developer, camera used, etc . . . it all can be manipulated and changed by anyone who comes along after him and "improved" in their mind.
Kind of interesting to think about, at least to me. (I'm not anti-negative film; I just shot a roll of Plus-X last night!)