Who Made the Lomochrome Purple 400 film?

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  1. Alpenhause

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    The film is just about to be delivered, On Flikr there are some people who were privledged to get a few 35mm and 120 rolls before we do.....

    I must say I like what I see so far......

    There are some that have emulated this film in digital by means of a bit of color channel swapping.

    Ok, The big question, who coated the emulsion, only Kodak, Agfa and Fuji are left in the world who can make color film to the best of my knowledge.....

    The Lomography people have kind of let the "Cat" out of the bag so to speak by letting us know the first rolls are going to be delayed a bit for delivery, they tell us the European factory is very busy right now.

    Perhaps...... Kodak made the master roll and Maco/Rollei is cutting it down to 35mm and 120 rolls?

    I am betting Agfa, Belgium did it! I put out some inquiries today on Flikr to those displaying results from the "Test" rolls put out to the "Buddies" of Lomography, I have asked if the film is "Clear base negative like Rollei CN-200 which is Agfa Aerial color negative film or does it have the usual "orange" color masking of regular color negative film, Do you think these guys will comment about it?

    Lomography sources the lion's share of its film from Agfa, next is Kodak, some Fuji?

    By law the film packaging must state country of manufacture, on certain Lomography film boxes it says "Made In USA, packaged in Mexico, What does that tell you? some film is made in China, some is made in the E.U., only one color film maker in the E.U., Can You say Agfa? Sure.... I like they way you say that..

    The information coming in to this thread will be most fun, as well as the film will be once they get it all packed and shipped, some are looking forward to this event and others well.....

    One thing for certain..... whoever gets their Lomochrome Purple 400 rolls first will know who made the film once they read the "Made in...." stamped on the box!

    OK, People! Let her Rip!

    Please, these findings are just what I have observed so far so don't take this as gospel truth........
     
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    A safe bet is Agfa-Gevaert. The rebate font will probably give it away. It always gives away Kodak.
     
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    AFAIK Maco/Rollei is not able to cut film or paper. Their products are manufactured by other companies and only sold by them.
     
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    There are other coating facilities in several places. How about China Lucky? InovisCoat?

    Andreas is right. Maco used to send to EFKE film pancakes to be slit and packaged in the 127 format.
     
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    Although products often say where they are made, I don't think this is currently required under EU law. I have bought many non-photographic products in the UK and most don't give the place of origin. Often, one suspects, it is China. It seems it is also possible (in the EU) to legally state a place of manufacture when only the final packaging has been done there. In another thread there was recently a discussion about Foma's Equicolor film which claims to be made in the Czech Republic, but quite possibly only the box was made there. The law is probably different in the US - I don't know. I have also seen colour film which was produced for sale in Poland with no indication of where it was made. But as for the Lomography film, it will be interesting to see what it says. As it is intended for international markets, it will probably have an indication of origin, even if that's only where the packaging is done!
     
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    The Color Tiger 110 film package says 'made in China', so there is certainly color film coating capabilities there.
     
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    Whoops! I had inquired to a gentleman who had posted "Lomochrome Purple 400" images on Flikr and he has told me they are simulations performed in Photoshop, kind of throws my theory out the window about some lucky folks obtaining "Test" rolls, His images look fabulous! I sure hope the real Lomochrome Purple 400 film performs as good.

    Color Tiger made in China? from all outward appearances including Lucky's website they show all color film production as having been discontinued several years ago, also have not seen any Lucky Color for sale with a current expiry date, kind of makes you wonder...

    Where is AGx? he would know if Agfa may be making Lomochrome Purple
     
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    China Lucky discontinued production of Colour films last September. You can read about it in this forum. There are still rolls being sold with a current expiry date. I have some rolls of colour film dated 12/2013. Production of B&W 100 ISO film continues.
    China Lucky isn't the only Chinese manufacturer: there's Shangai and there's another one with at least slitting and packaging capabilities.
     
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    I looked up InovisCoat and it looks like they are the most likely to be making the Lomochrome Purple 400 film, they have former Agfa employees and machinery, Could this be the factory in Europe that the Lomography folks are talking about in their latest press release about the delivery of this new film? InovisCoat is definately making film, both color and B&W, their website encourages "custom" film orders.

    Once we get the film in hand it should be easy to figure out if Agfa Belgium made it or InovisCoat, Agfa Belgium seems to offer only Polyester base films whereas InovisCoat offers conventional film base.

    Will the LomoChrome Purple 400 box say "Made In E.U."? if it does that would not really be too specific as both Germany and Belgium belong to the E.U.

    There is a good posibility Maco/Rollei will do the cutting and packaging because they do have the equipment and know how to cut down the large rolls into 35mm and 120.

    InovisCoat quite possibly could do the cutting and packaging of the 35mm and 120 film seeing that they possess lots of former Agfa Leverkusen film equipment.
     
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    Didn't someone say Lomo bought out Lucky's facilities?
     
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    I would say it is rather doubtful seeing that the Lomography folks sent out an email lately regarding some delays in delivery of the Lomochrome Purple 400, the lomography folks shows some photos of the European factory making their film in this particular email.

    Someone did indeed theorize a purchase of Lucky's facilities, but it seems nothing really more was said.

    I am sure there is quite a surplus in the world of great film producing machinery for sale, I am thinking it is good that much of Agfa's was saved, the best equipment is still in use by forward thinking companies in Europe.

    It is too bad some important film manufacturing equipment was not saved from Polaroid, The impossible project did a great job of rescuing and reviving a lot of production machinery from Polaroid but at the same time I think Impossible Project feels a bit of regret for not rescuing the machinery for the 4x5 instant film, Fuji has dropped the "Ball" for 4x5 instant film sales in the USA and other parts of the world, You can still order fresh 4x5 color instant film directly from Japan, Fuji still makes it apparently.

    If Impossible Project would make 4x5 instant film they would once again buy more of my Alpenhause 110B 4x5 cameras to sell with their film like they did in 2008 and 2009 when they had a lot of expired Polaroid 4x5 film.
     
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    I am thinking that EFKE is the only factory in the world that handles the 127 format, it is said that EFKE hired those that are blind to hand roll the 127 film, It is very nice of them to employ the handicapped.

    Now that EFKE seems to be shut down Maco/Rollei may have their 127 film production equipment, a lot of EFKE's production machinery has been sold to others like Maco/Rollei, ADOX and InovisCoat, it is a good thing forward thinking companies in Europe are keeping film production machinery from going to waste.

    127 film needs unique spool production machinery and you need to make the backing paper which I am sure is easy to do, the EFKE and Maco Rollei 127 spools cause hell if you use them in a RolleiFlex 127 TLR as take up spools, too bad the nice metal spools made by Kodak, Agfa of earlier years can no longer be made.
     
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    I think that if Ilford could have bought the machinery they would have, but they've said it doesn't make financial sense to do so. So I doubt anyone will ever make 127 spooled with backing paper again. However Ilford did do a 46mm bulk roll run this year, and I and others bought 50 feet rolls to re-roll. Also I haven't had any trouble in my Yashika44 with the efke take up spools that are plastic... what's the issue?

    Next year you can get in on the bulk roll purchase. 11 more months to go...

    As for the purple... why not call them to ask, or wait till you get it, no point in theorizing, but I WOULD like to know if the base is clear or orange... if I could get some clear stuff I might x-process it in E-6 :smile:
     
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    Sorry to ask, but where did you get that information? Aren't you confusing EFKE with Agfaphoto Leverkusen?
     
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    There are a lot of wrong assumptions in this thread.
     
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    I hope it is clear based, if it is and it is polyester Agfa most likely made it. I would be most enthused just like you to cross process it for some slides to project. One would need to try different ASAs and some E-6 push processing to bring the color saturation up to a desirable level.

    I am thinking Maco/Rollei is the only one offering new 127 film so it is a fair bet they have the machinery to do it.

    My Baby Rolleiflex 127 film is the only 127 camera I have that does not work well with these 2nd generation plastic spools, I use older metal spools for the take up spool and the film works fine but my Yashica 4x4 cameras are working OK with them.

    46mm film from Ilford would be fabulous, it would be a simple matter for me to hire a local printing shop to make the backing paper then gather up many 127 spools and roll up some fine Ilford 127 film, would people give out $10 per roll? perhaps $8? Offer "trade in" money for used 127 spools?

    The fine folks at Lomography are not really giving out much useful info about the Lomochrome Purple film, they say company policy is not allowing much if any info to be disclosed, I will know a bit more once my rolls arrive in August.

    The Truth IS Out There........There are people out there that know for sure, perhaps they will post?
     
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    Hello AgX,

    Good to hear from you,

    Has anyone leaked some info to you about Lomochrome Purple 400, such as who is making it? Is it clear based or have the normal orange mask like other C-41 color negative films?

    If the Lomography folks requested you not to disclose any info well, that is the way it goes, The Lomography people are having some fun keeping some details a secret. I am not talking badly about them, the mystery of it all is kind of fun and entertaining.
     
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    No-one has leaked info to me. But I got my ideas.

    No, I have not had a sample in hands.


    Aside of curiosity, what would one gain by knowing the manufacturer?
    Lomography is the worst seller concerning information about their films. Thus I would rank their films as gadgets to have fun with, not to build up a steady supply. This is notwithstanding that some films have well known origins.
     
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    Are you sure maco/rollei is making 127? I don't believe that's correct... Efke was the last to make 127 film to my knowledge. Anything out there is left over stock...

    It works out to be about $5.50/roll of 127 if you bought into the Ilford ULF run. Each 50 foot roll is $120-$130 (depending on supplier). Which is $5.46 to $5.90. And assuming my measurements are correct that's 22 rolls if you don't make any mistakes.

    Anyway I'll be shooting all of my Ilford stuff. It's also limited to HP5 so those who don't own fancy adjustable yashika'a are out of luck in terms of exposure.


    ~Stone | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    I am beginning to wonder now about Maco/Rollei, they had the largest selection of 127 film, there was Rollei Retro80's, Xpro-200, Rollei Cross Bird, Rollei Night bird, Rollei Infrared B&W. Now we have barely just two Maco/Rollei 127 films for sale, I wonder if they stopped making 127 or did they just ship various 46mm types of film off to EFKE for finishing and packing, perhaps an inquiry directly to Maco/Rollei regarding their 127 film program is in order.

    I like the figures for production of 127 film from HP5 46mm film stocks perhaps having some backing paper made may be worth while.

    So far a quick look on the search engines is just showing only possibly NOS 127 film for sale, I forgot to check with ADOX
     
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    I'm of the opinion that Maco, Rollei, Lomo, etc. is all AGFA film. I see PET base, quasi-surveillance/aero looking films, etc. and I immediately think AGFA.

    So I'm going with Agfa-Gevaert - and if I'm right, you all need to pay me 20$ each.
     
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    Just to chuck a curve ball in there, what about Ferrania? They ceased production a while ago but have recently indicated that they will be starting again. I wonder if they are being bankrolled by Lomography? All of Lomography's colour negative used to be made by them and when they launched the lomochrome film they said they had access to a new production facility. I thought this would be in China but maybe they are bringing Ferrania back on line.
     
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    Maco do not have own production facilities.
     
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    With regard to the availability of 127 film, the only people currently "making" it are the Frugal Photographer. See:-

    http://www.frugalphotographer.com/cat127.htm

    What they or their associates appear to be doing is using existing colour films (presumably by Kodak or Fuji) and spooling them in 127 size, using backing papers & spools manufactured by or for them. They don't seem to be the Efke type spools (judging by photographs) but not having bought any, I can't be sure. There are currently three different films but no black & white. The price isn't cheap and postage from the US has to be added.
     
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    I just got word from Georg Thaler from Lomography, Georg is in charge of film procurement for Lomography.

    The new Lomochrome Purple 400 is designed for ease of processing at your normal C-41 labs.

    I know which type of film base it has and Georg has asked me where I would like to show some newer test shots of the Lomochrome Purple 400.

    I am awaiting to hear back from Georg to see if he is OK with me posting some newer test shots and if he is OK with me commenting on which type of film base the film is coated on, so far Agfa Belgium does not look like they made the film IMO