Will vinegar work as stop?

Discussion in 'Darkroom Equipment' started by stradibarrius, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. stradibarrius

    stradibarrius Member

    Messages:
    1,382
    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2009
    Location:
    Monroe, GA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    My indicators stop smells just like strong vinegar so I was wondering if vinegar will work as a stop bath?
    For film?
    For prints?
     
  2. Pinholemaster

    Pinholemaster Member

    Messages:
    1,504
    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2005
    Location:
    Westminster,
    Shooter:
    8x10 Format
    Plan tap water will work, too.
     
  3. perkeleellinen

    perkeleellinen Member

    Messages:
    2,258
    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Location:
    Warwickshire
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Yes, I use white vinegar diluted 1:4.
     
  4. Athiril

    Athiril Subscriber

    Messages:
    2,948
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2009
    Location:
    Melbourne, V
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    stop bath is generally acetic acid, cheap arse brand white vinegar is generally weak acetic acid (3-5%).

    Divide the percentages and dilution ratio for the stop concentrate to find equivalent dilution.


    +1 for water :smile:
     
  5. Ian Grant

    Ian Grant Subscriber

    Messages:
    18,035
    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2004
    Location:
    West Midland
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    Plain tap water is not ideal for prints particularly Fibre based as the developer carry over will not have been neutralised and this will impact on the pH & capacity as well as life of the fixer.

    Ian
     
  6. stradibarrius

    stradibarrius Member

    Messages:
    1,382
    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2009
    Location:
    Monroe, GA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Is this a yes for both paper and film?
     
  7. perkeleellinen

    perkeleellinen Member

    Messages:
    2,258
    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Location:
    Warwickshire
    Shooter:
    35mm
    I use it for paper and film.
     
  8. wclark5179

    wclark5179 Member

    Messages:
    503
    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Shooter:
    35mm RF
    I tried vinegar but my fingers got pickled. One time, in between darkroom work, I cut up some garlic for a dinner receipe, developed some more prints and thought my fingers sure smelled like a cucumber. They were even green! Pass the dill!

    Just kidding!

    I only use indicator stop bath. It's cheap & it works!
     
  9. Colin Corneau

    Colin Corneau Subscriber

    Messages:
    1,871
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2007
    Location:
    Brandon, MB
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    Yeah, actual stop bath is so cheap with its dilution that it may actually be cheaper than vinegar.
     
  10. Anon Ymous

    Anon Ymous Member

    Messages:
    1,480
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2008
    Location:
    Greece
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Yep, and we haven't taken into account the added indicator dye that a proper stop bath has. It's also so abysmally cheaper compared to... paper. If you want to save money, learn to print efficiently. But that will cost you some paper! :D
     
  11. stradibarrius

    stradibarrius Member

    Messages:
    1,382
    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2009
    Location:
    Monroe, GA
    Shooter:
    Medium Format
    It is not a cost thing just a "I wonder" thing. Probably ISB is less expensive??? But if I ever need to do an Emegency Stopectomy, it is good to know What choices I have at hand!!!
     
  12. Anon Ymous

    Anon Ymous Member

    Messages:
    1,480
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2008
    Location:
    Greece
    Shooter:
    35mm
    Distilled white vinegar is the best choice. Dilute accordingly to get a 1,5 - 2% acetic acid solution.
     
  13. hughennis

    hughennis Member

    Messages:
    21
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2008
    Location:
    Dublin, Irel
    Shooter:
    Med. Format Pan
    From my recollection (I'm at work - miles from the kitchen) table vinegar is usally 5% actetic acid so 1 part vinegar to 2 parts water will give you a 1.66% solution . Again from my recollection the cost would work out very similarly , in fact if you buy 5Litre bottles of stop its bound to be cheaper than vinegar . Interesting question though - always wondered myself!
     
  14. Bob-D659

    Bob-D659 Member

    Messages:
    1,300
    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2008
    Location:
    Winnipeg, Ca
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    At $7 for a 474ml bottle of Kodak ISB, that works out to 30 cents per liter, so if 5% vinegar is more than 60 cents per liter, the Kodak is cheaper for a 2-2.5% mix.
     
  15. JMcLaug351

    JMcLaug351 Member

    Messages:
    79
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2003
    Now for the really important question. Can I use my Stop Bath on my salad? And if so, what dilution should I use?
    JOHN
     
  16. michaelbsc

    michaelbsc Member

    Messages:
    2,106
    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Location:
    South Caroli
    Shooter:
    Multi Format
    As mentioned use distilled vinegar, the stuff that looks like water, not the brown stuff. And not any of the exotic vinegars like Balsamic.
     
  17. imokruok

    imokruok Member

    Messages:
    40
    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2010
    Location:
    Los Angeles,
    Shooter:
    35mm
    It might be an interesting effect! Balsamic vs. apple cider vs. red wine...