Zeiss Ikon ZM build question

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  1. PVia

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    Hi all...

    I have not seen this camera in person yet...on the silver model, is the top of the camera (where the film advance and shutter speed dial sits) made of metal or plastic?

    I guess I'm wondering because I've seen a photo of the black one, and it looks very plastic-like in black...so it got me wondering...

    Thanks!
     
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    The ZM body is made by Cosina. I have one of Cosina's R2S Nikon-clones and the top of the body is black, painted metal.

    Given Zeiss's rep and the fact that their name is on it - I cannot imagine that it isn't also metal.

    But the quickest way to verify this would be to go onto RFF.com.
     
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    Check out the comprehensive review on Mike Elek's website: here. It says that the top and bottom plates are varnished magnesium.

    I haven't seen this camera in person, but from the photos it looks beautiful!
     
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    i got to handle one at bagnall's when mr. gandy was still selling zeiss gear. the black paint is really purty.
     
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    It has the greatest viewfinder ever put on a RF. That alone makes it worth purchasing. After you look through it, looking through a Leica is a disappointment.

    Patrick
     
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    Don't let the Leica-philes hear you say that! :D
     
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    Oh, I agree it has a nice viewfinder. Especially if you wear glasses. I have an M2, which has a nice viewfinder but not as bright or easy to see wide angle frame lines as the Zeiss Ikon.
     
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    I have one and build quality is great. When compared to the Leica, the Ikon weighs less and is not a thick (front to back) and as a result...feels less sturdy in the hand. The viewfinder on the ZM is fantastic and the lenses....bitingly sharp. I love mine.

    Regards,
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    For a cost comparison n 1952 Wards sold Contax IIAs for $444, adjusting for inflation in 2007 is around $3521.46, my argument to my wife why a new Zeiss is such a good deal.
     
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    I have a Black Zeiss Ikon ZM. The top is metal - and beautiful!

    A Great Camera with a great viewfinder!
     
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    It feels strong but it is not heavy.
     
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    After I got to use the Zeiss I sold my M7. Never looked back.
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    I have black and silver and the top and bottom plates are some real nice metal.
     
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    how does the Zeiss Ikon compare to the latest Bessas?
     
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    The camera is made by Cosina under contract for Carl Zeiss AG. While Cosina had some input on design and materials, it is not a Bessa clone. Carl Zeiss had the final say on the camera.

    The physical dimensions of the camera are markedly different.

    The Zeiss Ikon, from what I understand, is produced on a separate line from the Bessa. And each body undergoes testing to meet Zeiss quality control standards.

    I haven't handled any of the recent Bessa cameras, but in general the bodies have improved with each successive model.

    The Zeiss Ikon is a German camera that is made in Japan. That might be a good way to describe it.

    The Zeiss Ikon has a very wide base rangefinder and large viewfinder. The camera has varnished magnesium for the top and bottom plate. The camera doesn't use foam to block light -- the back uses a proper labyrinth design.

    All markings are engraved and filled, rather than painted on. The Copal electronic shutter has been modified to meet Zeiss demands. If I recall, the modifications were aimed at decreasing the shutter noise.

    Because of the width of the rangefinder and the location of the viewfinder on the extreme left side of the camera, the rewind knob has been moved to the base of the camera.

    The camera back can only be released by pushing the slightly recessed button in an "L"-shaped pattern. It's very effective, and accidental opening of the back is nearly impossible.

    As I mentioned, I haven't handled any of the recent Bessas. But the sense I got from the Bessa-R and the Zeiss Ikon is that the Zeiss Ikon is a more refined camera with better choice of materials, a more accurate rangefinder, autoselection of viewfinder framelines and overall excellent operation.

    The Bessas are good cameras. The Zeiss Ikon sits in a nice market spot by catering to those who want more than a Bessa but can't afford a Leica.
     
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    Thanks for the informative response. Now for the follow-up question: how does the Zeiss Ikon compare to the Leica M's?
     
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    A different experience. Each has its own merits.

    The Leica M is a no-compromise camera. It has an advanced metering and flash-meter system (the TTL models).

    Whereas the Zeiss Ikon is totally battery dependent, the Leica M7 offers some manual speeds in the event of battery failure. Other M models use the battery only for the meter.

    The body is one piece -- which makes it very rigid. I think it's largely brass and steel construction, which gives it considerable weight. However, a heavier camera can provide a stable shooting platform. Try handholding a plastic point-and-shoot (film or digital) at lower speeds, and you'll know what I mean.

    There is a learning curve to loading the film. I think I got it down on the second try. So it's not a huge deal. The flip-up door was a worthwhile improvement to the design.

    A Leica is almost a religion -- certainly it seems to generate a lot of love and dislike.

    Compared with the Zeiss Ikon, it feels a bit less modern. I liked the viewfinder on my M6 and didn't seem to suffer from the flare-out of the rangefinder patch that users have mentioned.

    The cloth shutter of the M6 is quieter than the Zeiss Ikon's metal-bladed unit. My only gripe about the M6 was that I felt the release point for the shutter release was too low. I like a camera that releases at about 3/4 of the way down. I felt that the M6 released at about 7/8 or nearly all the way down. I missed a couple of shots because of this. I added a so-called soft release, and I felt this made a big difference in a positive way.

    Both cameras are very satisfying to use, and lenses from Leica and Carl Zeiss are really terrific. You can't go wrong with either a Summicron, Summilux or Planar.

    I would recommend that you handle a Bessa, a Zeiss Ikon and a Leica and see which one suits you best. You might find that the Bessa best fits your hands and shooting style. On the other hand, it might be the Leica. Or the Zeiss Ikon.
     
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    Yeah I'm looking to get a rangefinder just to try certain wide angle lenses. That's a very informative post. Thanks for posting!
     
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    As far as build quality/sturdiness goes, the Zeiss is great despite it's reduced heft. Due to a weird concatenation of circumstances I recently took a spill on concrete while the Ikon was in my hand on a wrist strap. The camera hit the pavement hard on left bottom edge (film rewind side), leaving a decent sized scrape through the paint into the metal. My baby is wounded and scarred! But, there's no dent in the metal and even more to my relief, the viewfinder and focusing are still 100% spot on and nothing else is damaged. Very sturdy despite its lower weight (compared to a Leica). I'm very pleased!
     
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    As a proud owner of a Leica M3 I am giving the Zeiss Ikon M some serious thought as a second M mount rangefinder body. I know the Leica crowd trash the camera for not having the Leica "heft" but I don't equate weight with quality. From what I have read those who own the Zeiss Ikon M are very happy owners.
     
  22. PVia

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    Hi all...

    I ended up getting an M2 (circa 1964) in almost perfect condition with a 50/2 Zeiss Planar...very sweet combination and am extremely satisfied. I still have yet to see the Ikon ZM in the flesh, so to speak, and I look forward to that day.

    A belated thanks to all who offered their thoughts and experience!
     
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    You picked up an M2 -- sweet. The feel and operation of the older M's is different than the newer ones. Not better, not worse -- but different.

    I think you're going to have a great time with that.
     
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    I believe it is built on the old Nikon FM10 body. Anyone can confirm that?
     
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    i don't think so... they look completely different, and built from different metals.
     
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    you mean actually it was a brand new design? Wow.